780Ti official review thread

[Darujhistan]

I think they add a PCB, GPU, VRMs and cooler in as well for that.

No, really?

 

[Gregster]

I'm a fan of no camp but hardocp seems to be batting for the AMD camp recently, the majority of reviews show the 780ti faster than the 290x by 10% and more. Still I don't think it's worth any than £500, but we know how Nvidia like to price gouge, 780 is a good example.

[H]'s sponsorship must have expired then.

I was never a fan of [H] way back then and still not now. They used to do the same in benching with the 680 Vs the 7970 and I used to shake my head. the 290X wins in their comparisons because they use 2xmsaa but the 780ti uses 4xmsaa, at least give a level playing field...they did the same back then and frankly it is a pathetic way of comparing.

 

[Darujhistan]

And of course card performance is all about the amount of vram right

Stop straw manning, I said £550+ and only 3 GB of VRAM is poor VFM. Which it is.

 

[MichaelM]

So what was the point of Titan?

 

[humbug]

So what was the point of Titan?

EOL now i would have though.

 

[Darujhistan]

That makes so little sense, that I'm actually not going to dignify it with a response.

You just did.

If what I said made no sense you would have rebutted it.

 

[elmuzzy66.]

If they did it to keep the price down i can accept that, but then again the 7990 is going for the same money as the 290X and that will be more expensive to make.

They should have made a 3 fan revision cooler like it for the 290 series and allowed it to clock as high as it would until it reached 95c with that cooler, this is how Nvidia's GPU Boost 2 works.

It would have been much faster than it already is, you know what? if the thing costs ~ £20 more with that cooler on it, so be it. it would be an awesome GPU.

Bring on the non-reference R9 290 and R9 290X's, whats taking so long?

Have amd had any problems with the manufacture of the cores? Could explain why the lack of o/c cards?

 

[Darujhistan]

So what was the point of Titan?

To rip off mugs.

 

[cainer]

Stop straw manning, I said £550+ and only 3 GB of VRAM is poor VFM. Which it is.

3GB of VRAM for probably £500?

You've got to laugh.

 

[ToxicTBag]

Blimey I actually sat and read the whole review that's good for me thanks very much Mr W3bbo sah.

Only 1 question left, I get the gist of the bar graphs n whatnot but putting a Titan & 780Ti side by side and overclocked is it possible to come up with a percentage figure of how much the 780Ti bests it by?

Thanks in advance

 

[humbug]

Have amd had any problems with the manufacture of the cores? Could explain why the lack of o/c cards?

They overclock fine, 1200Mhz to 1250Mhz, Nvidia's GK110 do overclock a bit more, 1300Mhz. Nvidia have a better power management system on those boards, they can switch power draw between the PCIe and board power lines depending on what works best at that given point, its a clever little system and it makes them that bit more stable and efficient.

 

[Sgt_Pepper]

DarujHistan value for money was invented for poor people, the people looking to purchase this card won't be in that category

 

[elmuzzy66.]

They overclock fine, 1200Mhz to 1250Mhz, Nvidia's GK110 do overclock a bit more, 1300Mhz. Nvidia have a better power management system on those boards, they can switch power draw between the PCIe and board power lines depending on what works best at that given point, its a clever little system and it makes them that bit more stable and efficient.

Sry was try to say if a lack of cores is the reason for no non reference cards out atm?

 

[Something Else]

Excellent card! almost makes the Titan pointless, infact it makes it pretty redundant unless you want 6gb vram otherwise whats the point of titan.

Hoping this causes amd to rethink prices and maybe lower them.

Awesome sauce for everyone potentially.

 

[shadow_boxer]

Good review webbo over at Vortez but I noticed you were using some pretty old drivers on the 780 and Titan and not the latest betas for the 290 cards so I guess the gap would be somewhat smaller in reality. Very impressed by the overclocking headroom on it even on air. The EVGA Classified could be epic.

 

[BubbySoup]

Great review and good honest reading Webbo. In the days to the Titan Ultra being called (now the 780Ti with 3GB), I said a couple of times that the full fat core would not be able to reach big clocks because of heat/voltage/TDP but man was I wrong

I have added loads of benches to the OP now Peeps and looks like Sleeping Dogs Super Sampling still brings Nvidia to its knees

From those extra charts, there is one thing that does stand out - the 7990 is a monster card and amazing value for the people who got it sub £400.

 

[Darujhistan]

Daniel Lugo talking about Salad, but that's another story .

Back to the reviews.

Yeah, because oddly enough you've ignored the reviews so far...too busy shouting down any criticism of NV's pricing and VFM...

 

[humbug]

Sry was try to say if a lack of cores is the reason for no non reference cards out atm?

You might be right in that, there's very few ref- GPU's at retailers, almost everything is "pre order"

 

[drunkenmaster]

If they did it to keep the price down i can accept that, but then again the 7990 is going for the same money as the 290X and that will be more expensive to make.

They should have made a 3 fan revision cooler like it for the 290 series and allowed it to clock as high as it would until it reached 95c with that cooler, this is how Nvidia's GPU Boost 2 works.

It would have been much faster than it already is, you know what? if the thing costs ~ £20 more with that cooler on it, so be it. it would be an awesome GPU.

Bring on the non-reference R9 290 and R9 290X's, whats taking so long?

You can ALWAYS take absolutely any card, Nvidia or AMD< for the past decade, stick a better cooler on it and run faster, so what exactly is your point.

Titan could have had a better cooler and run faster, as could the 780ti, as could any 3rd party cooled card available in the past 5 years. Outside of the cards that come with full cover watercooling blocks the argument is silly.

First of all where do their partners, the people they do business with, MSI/Asus/Gigabyte/etc, make their money if AMD make the best damn cooler available. Second, how good is the Titan or 780gtx cooler if third party coolers are all also better.


Every increase in the quality of cooler increases cost. For 99% of people who don't overclock the stock cooler can run pretty quietly, there is no need to ever go near 100% fan mode, at all, and it's significantly faster than the previous card and also offers good value for money beating any other cards in price/performance.

They could make the cooler better, cost £20 more, but then they could make a £30 better cooler, or a £50 better cooler, etc, etc, etc. There is almost no limit but with every better cooler option.... their partners have less options to make their own coolers.

Most cards aren't sold in the first 6 weeks, its when supply is lowest with the lowest overall sales, after 6 weeks you get third party coolers. Who is buying reference 780gtx's today?, Who is buying reference 7970's/280x's today?

The fact is the reference cooler is supposed to be the minimum for what can get the job done, always has, always will. The Titan/780 cooler gets utterly spanked by 3rd party coolers, yet people act like it's the best cooler ever, while also ignoring that AMD are running a significantly smaller core making transferring the heat significantly harder. Titan, 780/780ti all throttle under the stock cooler, so does AMD's cards, who cares is the ultimate answer.

On new cores/pcb's it will take 6+ weeks to get reference coolers, on rebranded cards using same core/same pcb's there is no wait, this has also been the same for the past decade.

This has NEVER changed, has been the case for EVERY Nvidia and AMD launch for years.

The 780ti is the same core as Titan, and the 780, so the coolers were made ages ago, the 6 week delay happened then, why would it happen again. The same way the 280x had non ref coolers instantly, but the 7970 didn't.

 

[eddyr]

Excellent card! almost makes the Titan pointless, infact it makes it pretty redundant unless you want 6gb vram otherwise whats the point of titan.

Hoping this causes amd to rethink prices and maybe lower them.

Awesome sauce for everyone potentially.

Dont forget Titans un-neutered FP64 performance. Meaningless to gamers but not necesarily the rest of the market.