Your views on the white poppy?

AlecR said:
I support buying poppies to remember those who we lost due in wars where people were conscripted (i.e. the World Wars), but why do people who know exactly what they sign-up for deserve lots and lots of support from the public?

After all, people die every day and they never get thought about.
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It's a career choice! No one since the world wars has been forced to fight in this country, you join up you know the risks, plenty of other jobs have life threatening risks, but if those people die no one gives a ****

It also annoys me that the military get so much free stuff just for being in the military e.g theme park days etc.
 
Here's a question actually: can conscription ever actually ever be brought in again? With the UK being part of many human rights conventions, etc. would it actually be legal for it to be brought back?

If this is true, once all the war veterans from the Second World War have passed away, surely this Remembrance stuff should come to an end? That's my opinion anyway. This was a silly thing to write! I meant that we should stop remembering those who we've lost after the WWs. Sorry for any offence caused.
 
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We are remembering the dead...not the veterans. Just because the veterans have all died as well isn't reason not to remember their sacrifice.
 
By my understanding, the red poppy commemorates the end of a war, that is, the commencement of peace. Does that not make the red poppy a good symbol of peace? Even if not, paying one's respects to the war dead hardly makes one pro-war.
 
MrMoonX said:
The poppy appeal should die with the last WW2 veterans, the wars since then have been pointless polictically and financially motivated ones

I absolutely despise the soldier worshipping attitude of recent years, like we should all be greatful for the fact you chose to do the job :rolleyes: a job they choose because they have no other option generally!

We should remember the sacrifices of people who have defended our real freedom, that ended in 1945, time to move on, the world has changed and this country could do with halving its defence budget and put that money to good use in social policy.
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MrMoonX said:
+1

It's a career choice! No one since the world wars has been forced to fight in this country, you join up you know the risks, plenty of other jobs have life threatening risks, but if those people die no one gives a ****

It also annoys me that the military get so much free stuff just for being in the military e.g theme park days etc.
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wow...

You are remembering those who have died in past wars, which some in particular will forever reflect on our future. If they had not given their lives we would not have our country today. I think that is worth remembering always and forever.

Yes it may be a career choice but not an easy one. You know the risks but you are defending your country. The public should take note to this as without these people we wouldn't have a country to call our own. Which seems to be the op's goal got his way with this internationalist nonsense.
 
Castiel said:
We are remembering the dead...not the veterans. Just because the veterans have all died as well isn't reason not to remember their sacrifice.
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You're quite right :). I just read that back and it wasn't what I was trying to convey. Sorry for any offence caused :).

I think remembering the dead who died in the WWs is fine, but otherwise is just silly, in my opinion.
 
MrMoonX said:
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It's a career choice! No one since the world wars has been forced to fight in this country, you join up you know the risks, plenty of other jobs have life threatening risks, but if those people die no one gives a ****
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Plenty of other jobs have life threatening risks, yes, but not many involve other people actively trying to kill you.
AlecR said:
Here's a question actually: can conscription ever actually ever be brought in again? With the UK being part of many human rights conventions, etc. would it actually be legal for it to be brought back?
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Anything can be 'brought back' - Parliament is sovereign.
 
greywolf said:
wow...

You are remembering those who have died in past wars, which some in particular will forever reflect on our future. If they had not given their lives we would not have our country today. I think that is worth remembering always and forever.
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I agree, but only because these men didn't have a choice and gave their lives for a decent cause unlike say, errmmm, Iraq?
 
AlecR said:
And these men don't have to be! It's their choice.
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You are right, it is their choice..however their choice involves a decision to defend those they believe need defending, at the cost of their own life if necessary...no one joins the military with the idea they will die, but they know it is a risk, a very real one. Remember that during WW2 people had the right to object to conscription and over 60,000 did so...so ultimately each soldier in WW2 choose to fight as conscripted or not, they had a choice.
 
AlecR said:
I agree, but only because these men didn't have a choice and gave their lives for a decent cause unlike say, errmmm, Iraq?
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AlecR said:
And these men don't have to be! It's their choice.
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Regardless of why they were sent, a solider has still died and should be remembered.

It's their choice but atleast some steps up and takes the risk and this should be recognised. Without out them we would have be walked all over in the past and in the future.
 
AlecR said:
That's fine, but then, let's remember all the 'normal' people who die from cancer, illnesses, etc. everyday and make a remembrance day for them, shall we?
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They didn't die defending you and the country now did they? So these people who gave their life to defend you don't think deserve remembering huh? As I am sure without their sacrifice you wouldnt be sitting there today coming out with all this nonsense.
 
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greywolf said:
They didn't die defending you and the country now did they? So these people who gave their life to defend you don't think deserve remembering huh? As I am sure without their sacrifice you wouldnt be sitting there today coming out with all this nonsense.
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No, but they (and all people in medicine for that matter) spend their saving other people. Without them the world would be dead. The soldiers would be dead too :). I don't see how they're any different.
 
AlecR said:
That's fine, but then, let's remember all the 'normal' people who die from cancer, illnesses, etc. everyday and make a remembrance day for them, shall we?
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We do remember such people indirectly in the various appeals done in their name.

However, as you pointed out there is a difference between the person who dies from cancer and the person who dies in the line of duty...the latter chose to risk that ultimate price to defend us...whether you agree with the specifics of the war in which they died or the politics relating to it should not impact on the mavity of their sacrifice, in fact it should anger us all the more when we (as a country) throw away what these peoples sacrifice on futile or unnecessary conflicts.

No soldier expects to be remembered...mostly they just want to do their job quietly and remember those who are lost themselves.
 
NinetyOne said:
In an age when the world is more connected than ever we should not be competing against eachother but working together for the collective benefit of all humans.
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You know that will never happen right?... seriously...

This isn't star trek and the federation. :D
 
AlecR said:
I agree, but only because these men didn't have a choice and gave their lives for a decent cause unlike say, errmmm, Iraq?
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What about the men who died in WW1 and 2 who enlisted rather than were conscripted, are they not worth remembering? Is it conscription that matters or the fact that they gave their lives?
 
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