National - Oil Change

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I have given them a call and they said they will take a look in the morning and possibly drain some out if needed. The guy I spoke to at National said that sometimes this is normal and once the filter has been used for a little while the oil levels settle. Can this happen?
 
I'm suprised you've done the offer on tha car anyway, whats the point? It's no alternative to the service schedule as they wont do everything the dealer would because its an oil change not an oil service, and really it's debatable whether changing it more often than the manufacturers recommendations really makes any difference anyway.
 
I don't really plan on paying the stupid amount the dealer would want for just an oil change. Not sure if changing the oil more regularly helps postpone or deter the timing chain problem that may arise but the car had done 10k miles since the last change the previous owner had done and on-board still said it was fine for 8k more miles. 18k seems a lot?
 
madtoady said:
I don't really plan on paying the stupid amount the dealer would want for just an oil change.
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'Just an oil change' is not part of the service specification though - an oil service is, but this is slightly more than just an oil and filter change, there are a few checks etc as well and certain oil service milestones also include other scheduled changes, ie spark plugs every 3rd oil change on a petrol (Yours is a diesel, I know, but its just an example). Nothing ground breaking or that big a deal, but changing the oil and filter is not an oil service for the purposes of your cars service schedule.

Not sure if changing the oil more regularly helps postpone or deter the timing chain problem that may arise but the car had done 10k miles since the last change the previous owner had done and on-board still said it was fine for 8k more miles. 18k seems a lot?
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BMW's have been running up to 20k between services for almost 15 years.
 
My car is on variable service and will want one anytime between 12k & 20k.
My first one was at 17.5k and the second one was at 35.5k.
Long gaps between services pretty normal now a days.
 
[TW]Fox;25307505 said:
'Just an oil change' is not part of the service specification though - an oil service is, but this is slightly more than just an oil and filter change, there are a few checks etc as well and certain oil service milestones also include other scheduled changes, ie spark plugs every 3rd oil change on a petrol (Yours is a diesel, I know, but its just an example). Nothing ground breaking or that big a deal, but changing the oil and filter is not an oil service for the purposes of your cars service schedule.

BMW's have been running up to 20k between services for almost 15 years.
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Yeh I understand and appreciate what you're saying but when it is due a real service in 8-10k miles I will get a proper one. Simply having an oil change is just me trying to reduce the chance of a potential expensive timing chain bill. Whether it does anything or not, mentally I feel better for it :)
 
madtoady said:
Yeh I understand and appreciate what you're saying but when it is due a real service in 8-10k miles I will get a proper one. Simply having an oil change is just me trying to reduce the chance of a potential expensive timing chain bill. Whether it does anything or not, mentally I feel better for it :)
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I agree, theres nothing wrong with an extra oil change between the oil service intervals (its quite common with members over at BMW Land) if your not comfortable going 20k miles between oil changes, just make sure you do the full oil service as well when its due, as fox is right its an oil service not just an oil and filter change ;)

Cheers
 
I don't get why people think a buying a cheap product but changing it twice as often is better value than the recommended stuff and changing it as per the OEM recommendation.
 
What drives the oem recommended oil interval? What's best for the engine? What's more convenient for fleet managers? Do they have any real interest in longevity beyond the first 3 years?

I don't know the answer, I know the Americans love to change their oil far more often than what we do - not sure if they benefit from this.
 
Matt82 said:
blocked oil pumps on VW engines tell me what i need to konw about oem intervals, or "longlife" ones at the very least
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Well no talk of "blocked oil pumps" on any of the major Skoda or Seat forums - so unless VW are using a different variation of the same engine in their own vehicles it would appear not to be as big an issue as maybe some are making it out to be.
 
Yup, thats what i mean, also in the head, the burnt oil blocks things like the chain tensioner too

Nearly any pre 2000 1.8t with the normal intervals will have no signs like this
 
The 1.8T is a pretty special engine for generating sludge with know concerns. You can't apply that engine to every engine.

Anyway my comment was about people who have the fixed type drain interval then think halving it but using cheaper stuff
 
I'm assuming it's me you're referring to, I wasn't using cheaper stuff? I'm using the recommended oil brand and quality that my car manufacturer recommend.

It's well known that the N47 BMW engine can have a catastrophic timing chain problem and it's believed that changing the oil more frequently can help reduce this. I don't really see the problem here?
 
Wasn't really aimed at anyone specific. Just something I see a lot. Sounds like you have the right idea
 
Gaygle said:
Just had a closer look at that Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 oil from ECP - £21 for 5 litres and it's got pretty much every manufacturer approval! That's something of a bargain?? LL01 approved too so might use it in mine!

Ferrari - the only engine oil recommended by Ferrari
API SM/CF
ACEA A3/B3
ACEA A3/B4
VW 502.00 / VW 505.00 / VW 503.01
Mercedes Benz MB 229.5
BMW LL-01 / BMW Longlife-01
Fiat - Meets the requirements of Fiat 9.55535 Z2
Renault RN 0700 & Renault RN 0710
Porsche A40
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Not 504/507 or LL04 though. Those are the more expensive ones.

Need Castrol Edge, Mobil 1 ESP, Shell Helix Ultra Extra, etc.
 
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