Ah ok
UST stands for ultrasonic testing, i know people use UT, but where i work, we use UST as an abbreviation Job dilemma - stay or go
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Ah ok
UST stands for ultrasonic testing, i know people use UT, but where i work, we use UST as an abbreviation 
Ah ok
Ahh okay. As far as I'm aware, looking to train someone to Level 3, but the team are all level 2 with a level 3 contractor.
Level 3 is really where you want to aim for in any sort of NDT work.
A very good friend of mine who i used to work with, now does UST on train tracks all over the country, because he's a level 3, he charges £1000 a day private contracting, which is very easy to do, but not everyone can get to level 3.
Excuse the stalking, but did you take the shift hours change in the end from Mon-Fri to shift pattern? 
Reason I ask is, I'm currently 8-5 Mon-Thurs, 7-2 on Fridays. Weekends off. The other job is the same, but may be changing to a shift of 7am-7pm one week, with Wed/Thurs off, and then only working Wed and Thurs the following week.
Reason I ask is, I'm currently 8-5 Mon-Thurs, 7-2 on Fridays. Weekends off. The other job is the same, but may be changing to a shift of 7am-7pm one week, with Wed/Thurs off, and then only working Wed and Thurs the following week.
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I'd roll the dice and do it.
Excuse the stalking, but did you take the shift hours change in the end from Mon-Fri to shift pattern?
I'm currently working 6-2 / 2-10 shifts mon - fri. I worked 7-7 for around 6 months but was asked to move into shifts to cover all the roles on our presses, which was a pita but the money is unbelievable.
Have you ever done 7-7? It's hard going from such a straight forward shift like 8-5 into 7-7, your breakfast becomes your dinner and vice versa.
Anything else you need to know, just ask
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Permanent post wins every time unless you like contracting.
If the new company are keen to get you and make an offer raise your concerns for career progression and training with them as something that is important to you and see what they can offer. I've not yet come across a company that thought hiring someone with drive and ambition was a bad thing.
I'd go for the new job. The larger aerospace company will have a broader range of progression if you're not fully set on what you want to do yet.
I'd imagine their R&D department will be larger if that took your fancy. Lots of stuff going on in Materials R&D.
I work for the largest UK based aerospace company and I'd disagree with the comments about progression. You get structured progression, which can appear slow, but HR seem to be more active in career development e.g. development centres and the like to try and find the best people in the business to promote. Ultimately, it's still down to you though.
Also look into the benefits that the larger company give e.g. share schemes, bonus schemes, flexi time, pension schemes. These can add up to a lot.
I'd imagine their R&D department will be larger if that took your fancy. Lots of stuff going on in Materials R&D.
I work for the largest UK based aerospace company and I'd disagree with the comments about progression. You get structured progression, which can appear slow, but HR seem to be more active in career development e.g. development centres and the like to try and find the best people in the business to promote. Ultimately, it's still down to you though.
Also look into the benefits that the larger company give e.g. share schemes, bonus schemes, flexi time, pension schemes. These can add up to a lot.
I worked 7-7 for around 6 months but was asked to move into shifts to cover all the roles on our presses, which was a pita but the money is unbelievable.
Have you ever done 7-7? It's hard going from such a straight forward shift like 8-5 into 7-7, your breakfast becomes your dinner and vice versa.
Anything else you need to know, just ask
Never done 12 hour shifts before, though these are day time only, so not too bad. I've done nights before and don't fancy that again.
I think I will try and get the best deal I can, and an offer of further training/qualifications if I can. I'll update if anything develops. Thank you all for the replies!
Well, I was contacted by the other company - they'd like me to go and discuss potential opportunities at my earliest convenience.
I broached the topic of future training and job security recently and it looks like I will get my chance to train further, but it might not be clear when for at least 6 months to a year.
This is going to be a tricky decision. Only a really good offer would sway me.
I broached the topic of future training and job security recently and it looks like I will get my chance to train further, but it might not be clear when for at least 6 months to a year.
This is going to be a tricky decision. Only a really good offer would sway me.
Small update, but after meeting previously and having an informal interview, I've been asked to go back for a 2nd interview, this time with HR present.
Still no idea of salary. I've been told to ask for any offer I may get in writing, and then to negotiate with my current job. The whole idea of playing one off another is alien to me, and to be honest I don't feel like I've been with my current company long enough to be that ballsy about it.
Will update at the end of the week.
Still no idea of salary. I've been told to ask for any offer I may get in writing, and then to negotiate with my current job. The whole idea of playing one off another is alien to me, and to be honest I don't feel like I've been with my current company long enough to be that ballsy about it.
Will update at the end of the week.
This.
No job is forever..unless you're a sucker. You can always progress further by gaining exp and moving on.
Never believe you are a more then an payroll number.
Only ask for a written offer once you've come to a mutually agreed one. No point in wasting time. I would never use it to force my current companies hand though - it outs you in dangerous ground and if you're honest you have taken the other opportunity far enough to be made a written offer for a reason....
This.
Explain the situation to your current employers and see what they have to say. Companies can be lazy about stuff like this and will string you along until they have to do otherwise. If they're decent company then they'll probably make you permanent and help you plan out your career progression. If not then tell them thanks and go to your other offer. It's just business.
As has been said, permanent position over (possibly) false promises and a temporary role. By all means if you're on good terms with your boss and you want to stay then advise them you've been offered a permanent role at a place much closer to home and see if they can come up with a permanent role with an offer at least as good, maybe even better to take into account the longer commute and higher costs involved. If your boss says that they can't offer anything at the moment there's a good chance they were never going to.
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This. Don't issue your current employer an ultimatum, speak to your line manager, let him/her know the situation; explain you would like to stay in your current role but the need for the stability/security that a permanent contract would give to your life is very important to you... Don't be confrontational or committal too early, just put the ball in their court and see if they come back with a counter-offer.
Permanent post in this day and age is a rare thing so i would go for that. plus there is always opportunity in the future for training. even if the company dont offer it now there is a high chance they will in the future. that is how company's keep progressing. though the UK aerospace industry is not what it used to be it sounds like if they want you then the offer would be good to take.