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New AMD Desktop Roadmap - No SR for FX in 2014

No surprises, it's been looking like it for a while unfortunately.

AM3+ is deffo dead then.

There's no winners, only losers then.
Intel are doing sweet nothing during 2014 that's even remotely interesting in the mainstream.
 
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TBH I went with 8320s for now and not for what I could change them to.

The way things are going this could be the last CPU I need for a bloody long time any way.
 
Actually this could be good. AMD will have the Kaveri platform to showcase the SR core.

In 2015 a chipset refresh, new socket and possible refinements to SR will suit me in terms of my upgrade requirements (£400 waiting in one savings account).

An upgrade from 8350 before then may have been premature.
 
nkata said:
Actually this could be good. AMD will have the Kaveri platform to showcase the SR core.

In 2015 a chipset refresh, new socket and possible refinements to SR will suit me in terms of my upgrade requirements (£400 waiting in one savings account).

An upgrade from 8350 before then may have been premature.
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The chances are it'd be excavator they bring out rather than Steamroller for the higher end desktop chips.

But I don't see the boring 2014 as a good thing.
 
With the new engines using 8 cores it gives AMD a very good boost (even without Mantle), but it'd seem the perfect time to release a Steamroller 8 core CPU.
 
Missing a trick when Intel are doing nothing interesting, but if AMD had anything to release you would have to figure they would push it out in 2014. Ah well. Excavator in 2015....
 
Oh well, two ways of looking at this I suppose, one the one hand you can buy an 63xx/83xx AM3+ setup now, knowing it will still be the main AMD performance option for 2 more years, instead of feeling out of date the moment a Steamroller range launched next year.

On the other, you can feel well annoyed and let down that Vishera is as good as it gets from AMD for the next 2yrs and therefore make the jump to Intel, not having to worry about or 2nd guess whether you should have waited for Steamroller FX benchmarks.
 
Well it's mixed news for me. A couple of months ago I almost pressed the trigger on an AM3+ setup to replace a C2Q setup but delayed that decision due to someone damaging my car in a car park. I'd hoped that the delay would mean I would know the AMD roadmap before commiting to a purchase.

At least it means I don't have to wait and can now buy an FX. But it is a little disappointing that AMD aren't releasing a desktop SR for some time.

I'll be buying an FX 8320, as planned, as soon as funds allow.
 
With Mantle, the need for CPU power going to be less than with DX11.

An A10 with an 290X, on a game that supports Mantle, it will perform exactly the same as a 4770K with a single 290X. Even the FX8350 is going to be "too much".

The GPU going to be the bottlenecks now.

Hence, if you have the money and looking to upgrade, get an 4820K with a cheap MSI X79, than a 4770K. They cost the same, and the X79 solution has more grunt for multi-gpu configurations. Which are going to be needed, if you do not want to pay huge premiums for the top of the range GPU all the time. Or else grab a FX8350/8320. Overclock them at 4.6-4.8 and laugh, since they are pretty cheap.
 
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With Mantle, the need for CPU power going to be less than with DX11.

An A10 with an 290X, on a game that supports Mantle, it will perform exactly the same as a 4770K with a single 290X. Even the FX8350 is going to be "too much".

The GPU going to be the bottlenecks now.

Hence, if you have the money and looking to upgrade, get an 4820K with a cheap MSI X79, than a 4770K. They cost the same, and the X79 solution has more grunt for multi-gpu configurations. Which are going to be needed, if you do not want to pay huge premiums for the top of the range GPU all the time. Or else grab a FX8350/8320. Overclock them at 4.6-4.8 and laugh, since they are pretty cheap.
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a 4 thread chip is never going to be 'the same' as an 8 thread chip in a cpu intensive Mantle game. anyway, the whole idea of it is parallelism and scaling with threads - distributing the load over as many cores as possible, rather than heavily loading a smaller number of cores. so in games that want the extra grunt, an fx 83xx will obliterate an a10.

also, how on earth you can claim the a10 would perform the same as an i7-4770 i have no idea. all that was said during the talks held by amd / devs was that an 8350 was very competitive with a 4770 in games under Mantle. an a10 has half the number of threads as an 8350 and much less cache, even if the IPC is considerably higher for SR than PD.

P.S. Waiting until 2015 to replace PD FX, whether it be with a 'big' Excavator APU or an iGPU-less CPU is definitely the right choice for AMD. Kaveri is their biggest CPU launch in years, PD FX will become much more competitive with Intel with more applications becoming heavily threaded and Mantle, and they have so much to do with HSA / HUMA / PS4 / XB1 / TrueAudio / Mantle that they're stretched pretty thin and need to consolidate. An Excavator based chip would offer a much bigger leap, and allow them to make a clean break with AM3+, presumably support DDR-4, and hopefully will allow them to use 20nm FD-SOI which combined with High Density Libraries ought to offer a massive improvement in performance per watt ... though I think the latter is quite doubtful - my bet is first products will be 28nm.
 
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I have to agree, whilst I am a little disappointed with the lack of SR 8core parts I would prefer AMD to part ways with the AM3 socket and come back with something more spectacular with excavator on a new socket.

I know one of the benefits of going AMD was that the board you bought was generally going to be compatible with a wide range of future CPUs, but I don't really know that many people who bought a new CPU without a new motherboard.

Looks like my trusty 2500k is going to last the whole of 2014 then.
 
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P.S. Waiting until 2015 to replace PD FX, whether it be with a 'big' Excavator APU or an iGPU-less CPU is definitely the right choice for AMD. Kaveri is their biggest CPU launch in years, PD FX will become much more competitive with Intel with more applications becoming heavily threaded and Mantle, and they have so much to do with HSA / HUMA / PS4 / XB1 / TrueAudio / Mantle that they're stretched pretty thin and need to consolidate. An Excavator based chip would offer a much bigger leap, and allow them to make a clean break with AM3+, presumably support DDR-4, and hopefully will allow them to use 20nm FD-SOI which combined with High Density Libraries ought to offer a massive improvement in performance per watt ... though I think the latter is quite doubtful - my bet is first products will be 28nm.
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It's letting the enthusiast market stagnate for a long time though. It's true that the PD 8 core chips are going to get used a lot better over the next year in games both with and without Mantle, but there are plenty of people with higher end AM3+ boards left without any upgrade option for a long time, while the lower end APU market has the technically better chip.

I guess they could make the 8320 EOL and cut the price on the CPUs, making the 8350 the cheapest. And with improved production the newer chips seem to be clocking a lot better, so they could possibly release lower voltage/TDP ones. They do need to do something at least.
 
How reliable is this information? I don't want to buy an 8320/50 for myself at Christmas thinking its going to last me all of 2014 just for something to get announced/released a few months later
 
Relentless81 said:
How reliable is this information? I don't want to buy an 8320/50 for myself at Christmas thinking its going to last me all of 2014 just for something to get announced/released a few months later
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It's an official recent AMD roadmap and shows no Steamroller desktop CPUs, but comes with the usual disclaimer,

"AMD roadmaps are subject to change without notice or obligations to notify of changes."
 
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Ok, always a slight risk involved then, should still be a cheap upgrade if I can use the current RAM which I use with my Phenom 965?
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I think the chances of Steamroller on AM3+ are slim but can't be ruled out entirely.

What board do you have, or are you looking to get a new one?
 
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