**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

Craterloads said:
Why is it people assume the ps4 won't be able to put 100% of it's power down yet are happy to assume the xbox will be able to put 100% of it's power down when doing these comparisons? Surely if it was the case both would not be able to put down 100% of there respective "powers" down still resulting in a 50% gap.
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In my example the PS4 is using all of it's power. If you can't understand the difference between theoretical and real world power then I can't be bothered explaining it again.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
In my example the PS4 is using all of it's power. If you can't understand the difference between theoretical and real world power then I can't be bothered explaining it again.
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Sure I understand, A) you said being utilised to the maximum B) real world power applies both ways (which you seem to be conveniently forgetting)

You comparison is essentially xbox running at theoretical power vs ps4 running at real world power.
 
Xbox starting to win me over a little bit might get it sooner rather than later depending on how my job fairs after xmas.

The booting from Kinect is a nice feature. Often cant find the controllers so can just shout at the machine while I look :D

Any hints or teasers of a new gears or halo?
 
Abooie said:
Cheers.

I cancelled a game order which I placed on day one a few weeks ago deciding to do the sensible thing and wait till the new year.

I was then hit with the shiny new toy bug and I've placed the Tesco order. Anyway, we'll see what happens, if I get it I do, if not I'll wait.
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I'll wait...

Tesco called and most apologetically cancelled it.

I'm not going to pay full whack for a non-day one without the free game so I'll wait until the new year and the first wave of good bundle deals.

Still, a shame.
 
Oh looks it's this again.

This same argument keeps happening because of confusion between power difference and how much of an affect that will actually have on the visuals.

You can say it's 50% more powerful, but you can't say it will be able to produce 50% better graphics because graphics can't be measured by number, and therefore cannot be a percentage better than some other graphics
 
Craterloads said:
Sure I understand, A) you said being utilised to the maximum B) real world power applies both ways (which you seem to be conveniently forgetting)

You comparison is essentially xbox running at theoretical power vs ps4 running at real world power.
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You obviously don't understand. I'll say it again in simple terms. IN MY OPINION, the 50% power difference on paper will not equal a 50% difference in performance when both consoles are maxed out. I really can't put it any simpler than that.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
A 50% power difference in specs won't always equal a 50% difference in real world performance IMO. Theoretical performance and real world performance are often 2 very different things.

Oh, and before you go quoting BF and COD at me, remember there are more games running at equal specs than different specs :)
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Lets not forget that the GPU and CPU in XO are clocked at least 10% faster and for all we know the PS4 CPU could be clocked slower than 1.6Ghz - they've been strangely quiet on the subject given they've trumpeted every other spec loudly, could a low clocked CPU be the reason PS4 runs cool in a small box? ;) ;) There's a lot more to be taken into account on all up performance than just GPU, from hardware considerations like CPU, Bus speeds and widths, the ability to simultaneous read/write vs big blocks of fast RAM etc all the way to driver and API maturity as we've covered time and time again. PS4 has a much better GPU and is likely to always be all up quicker but that doesn't translate to "everthing is 50% better".
 
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XeNoN89 said:
Oh looks it's this again.

This same argument keeps happening because of confusion between power difference and how much of an affect that will actually have on the visuals.

You can say it's 50% more powerful, but you can't say it will be able to produce 50% better graphics because graphics can't be measured by number, and therefore cannot be a percentage better than some other graphics
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Did you just write an even handed post being fair to Xbox One? The certainties in life have just wavered... Don't try to catch me out by being all reasonable and stuff... What's the catch..? I'm distinctly nervous now... /faint :D :D ;):)
 
Davey_Pitch said:
You obviously don't understand. I'll say it again in simple terms. IN MY OPINION, the 50% power difference on paper will not equal a 50% difference in performance when both consoles are maxed out. I really can't put it any simpler than that.
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So you're talking about perception, on how it will be perceived on screen? As you mention, opinion, it will differ from person to person on what they perceive on screen.

Apologies, I missed that bit

Depends on how a developer uses that extra grunt, if they choose to simply up the res and keep everything else that same, yes you could say that. If a developer chooses to keep everything the same apart from frame rate, then it a little different. If a dev chooses to keep res and frame rate the same and choose to use the power elsewhere like better models, lighting etc then that would be again a little different.
 
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I prefer to think it's not sarcastic as there's plenty of room for multiple consoles and it'd be a crap situation if there was only one.
 
It's a small industry and todays competitor is tomorrows employer, rarely are people publicly nasty because despite who you work for at this moment in time, the challenges, successes and problems are pretty similar on a personal level.
 
JoeBoi said:
Which was?
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I'll see if I can find the picture, but it was basically them saying they're sorry to hear about the PS2's problems (it might have been shipping?) and then a picture of a kid sticking his tongue out with the Dreamcast logo beside it.
 
I don't think there's any doubt the PS4 is quicker (how it doesn't cook in that tiny case and yet stays quiet is some industrial design worthy of serious respect), better is a somewhat subjective question though.
 
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Macro said:
I don't think there's any doubt the PS4 is quicker (how it doesn't cook in that tiny case and yet stays quiet is some industrial design worthy or serious respect), better is a somewhat subjective question though.
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Some of them don't stay quiet and sound like a jet engine.
 
You have to take into account that depending on how they use the power people may not even view the difference as that big.

The new need for speed game has a much better depth of field effect and a better implementation of ambient occlusion on the PS4, both effects tend to take a fair bit of GPU power, yet someone may not think the difference is that huge personally.

Take these 2 screen shots as an example.

PS4

http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/6/3/2/9/5/0/PS4_000.jpg.jpg

XB1

http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/6/3/2/9/5/0/XO_000.jpg.jpg

Personally I think the DOF and overall image quality is a lot better on the PS4, someone else may think the difference is minimal.
 
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