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Mantle VS Reliability?

northwestdakota

northwestdakota

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Evening all,

I don't want to start some sort of Green VS Red thread of abuse; I would just like to see a few peoples perspective. I currently have between £300 - 450 to spend on a video card. This is a lot of money for me and I doubt I’ll be upgrading again for a couple of years, so I want to get it right.

My last card was a 7970, it was a great card and I was really pleased with the results. Well, I was pleased until it started causing all sorts of stability issues and I sent it back. To cut a long story short, it took me 4 weeks to find out it was the card and it frustrated me so much I gave up on the card and thought I’d keep my money. So here I am, in need of a card and cash ready to spend.

I waited for the 290 release to see how the card performed and like many people I come to the conclusion that it seems a great card but I should wait for the non ref coolers. So, that was me, mind made up.

Then I start seeing threads about stability problems, one big thread on these forums containing 14 pages. I'm now getting a bit worried, thinking to myself maybe I’d be better off with a 780, it will be cooler, quieter and I hear Nvidia are supposed to be really reliable. BUT, I know if I get a 780 and discover in a few months’ time that the likes of Thief run 20% better on Mantle, I’m going to be a little frustrated. I just want to play next years big games like Dragon age, Thief, The Witcher 3 all on max settings on a resolution of 1920x1200.

What do you guys think? I have no brand loyalty, I just want the best card I can afford and not have to deal with stability problems.
 
If you want to know what the 3rd party coolers are going to be like and what performance Mantle will show, then you're gonna have to wait buddy.

In regards to reliability. There's always a chance you'll get a dud GTX 780...
 
I'm happy to wait for the coolers, though it would be nice to know the ETA on those. I see some people say late November, while other people point towards Jan. Would you guys say that Nvidia is that much more reliable than AMD?

As for Mantle, I see it as a nice bonus that will possibly at some point help my card out :) If I took reliability out of the debate, I think I would be happier with a 290 than a 780.
 
Edit, Nidia have the better reference coolers, no doubt about that, as for reliability, Both Nvidia and AMD GPU's are made from the same components, often by the same people, No. no one is more reliable.

I agree with Rossi~ you can get a dud no matter where its from

You shouldn't buy a GPU based on (Future Unknown tech) you should buy what your head tells you to based on the here and now.
Mantle, doesn't exist.
 
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humbug said:
You shouldn't buy a GPU based on (Future Unknown tech) you should buy what your head tells you to based on the here and now.
Mantle, doesn't exist.
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Just because it hasn't been implemented yet on any released games doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Mantle will be used on several upcoming games, and the OP is right to take it into consideration.

If you aren't in a hurry to get a new GPU, I'd honestly wait and see until the BF4 Mantle patch comes out and we get some more news regarding the 290(X) cards with non-reference coolers.
 
Uncle Petey said:
Even if mantle gave you an extra 20% over a 780 in Thief or whatever, would that mean that a 780 is a poor card?
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But it would make the 290 a better card to play thief with potentially. I suppose you just have to look at the titles. If you are a big Batman fan and want to play Batman Orgins every night then the 780 will be great !

Its one of the few cons to PC gaming, for me.
 
Alghazanth said:
Just because it hasn't been implemented yet on any released games doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Mantle will be used on several upcoming games, and the OP is right to take it into consideration.

If you aren't in a hurry to get a new GPU, I'd honestly wait and see until the BF4 Mantle patch comes out and we get some more news regarding the 290(X) cards with non-reference coolers.
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Both of which will likely be next month or January. DICE are aiming for end of December for the initial release of the Mantle API patch. Hints have been of 3rd party coolers coming next month, prior to Christmas too.

Depending on whether the OP thinks that he'll replace his monitor any time soon G-sync might come into the equation too.
 
ratters said:
But it would make the 290 a better card to play thief with potentially. I suppose you just have to look at the titles. If you are a big Batman fan and want to play Batman Orgins every night then the 780 will be great !

Its one of the few cons to PC gaming, for me.
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Yeah, it would. Not by a huge amount though (speculation).
The Witcher 3 on the other hand...

You're right though, this kind of thing just isn't helpful to the end consumer.
 
It's prevalent in consoles as well to be fair although in different ways the attitude behind it remains.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind. A larger target audience on PC benefits everyone.
 
There is allways going to be something new coming out so it's just one of those things really.

If you absolutely must buy now just get whatever is the best value for money and offers more support/features for the games you play or intend to play. Otherwise just wait it out for non ref AMD cards and mantle to see what the crack is.
 
Just buy the best Nvidia card you can afford now;)

Mantle is not likely to be a game changer as MS rejected it in favour of a Direct X future so Mantle is only going to help those on mid to low end AMD GPU's in a practical fashion as anyone with a high end GPU is unlikely to notice if its 60 or 160FPS regardless are they :rolleyes: if anyone says they can tell the difference they are just trying to justify their GPU expenditure ;)

Nvidia brute force will be more than enough to compensate for Mantle in future games but after the way AMD locked Nvidia out of TressFX on Tomb Raider until after release you can expect both sides to return the favour on PhysX vs Mantle release date lockouts until the NDA has lifted etc etc :rolleyes:
 
AWPC said:
Just buy the best Nvidia card you can afford now;)

Mantle is not likely to be a game changer as MS rejected it in favour of a Direct X future so Mantle is only going to help those on mid to low end AMD GPU's in a practical fashion as anyone with a high end GPU is unlikely to notice if its 60 or 160FPS regardless are they :rolleyes: if anyone says they can tell the difference they are just trying to justify their GPU expenditure ;)

Nvidia brute force will be more than enough to compensate for Mantle in future games but after the way AMD locked Nvidia out of TressFX on Tomb Raider until after release you can expect both sides to return the favour on PhysX vs Mantle release date lockouts until the NDA has lifted etc etc :rolleyes:
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Shocker that MS rejected Mantle for Direct X ;)
 
AWPC said:
Just buy the best Nvidia card you can afford now;)

Mantle is not likely to be a game changer as MS rejected it in favour of a Direct X future so Mantle is only going to help those on mid to low end AMD GPU's in a practical fashion as anyone with a high end GPU is unlikely to notice if its 60 or 160FPS regardless are they :rolleyes: if anyone says they can tell the difference they are just trying to justify their GPU expenditure ;)

Nvidia brute force will be more than enough to compensate for Mantle in future games but after the way AMD locked Nvidia out of TressFX on Tomb Raider until after release you can expect both sides to return the favour on PhysX vs Mantle release date lockouts until the NDA has lifted etc etc :rolleyes:
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I foresee many replies.
 
AWPC said:
Just buy the best Nvidia card you can afford now;)

Mantle is not likely to be a game changer as MS rejected it in favour of a Direct X future so Mantle is only going to help those on mid to low end AMD GPU's in a practical fashion as anyone with a high end GPU is unlikely to notice if its 60 or 160FPS regardless are they :rolleyes: if anyone says they can tell the difference they are just trying to justify their GPU expenditure ;)

Nvidia brute force will be more than enough to compensate for Mantle in future games but after the way AMD locked Nvidia out of TressFX on Tomb Raider until after release you can expect both sides to return the favour on PhysX vs Mantle release date lockouts until the NDA has lifted etc etc :rolleyes:
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So your recommendation is to spend even more on already expensive NVidia cards to employ your brute force approach rather than spending less on already cheaper AMD cards using Mantle to get the same performance.
 
AWPC said:
Just buy the best Nvidia card you can afford now;)

Mantle is not likely to be a game changer as MS rejected it in favour of a Direct X future so Mantle is only going to help those on mid to low end AMD GPU's in a practical fashion as anyone with a high end GPU is unlikely to notice if its 60 or 160FPS regardless are they :rolleyes: if anyone says they can tell the difference they are just trying to justify their GPU expenditure ;)

Nvidia brute force will be more than enough to compensate for Mantle in future games but after the way AMD locked Nvidia out of TressFX on Tomb Raider until after release you can expect both sides to return the favour on PhysX vs Mantle release date lockouts until the NDA has lifted etc etc :rolleyes:
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You haven't got a clue! and only a clown would take your advice.
 
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