Indiana Jones, it just clicked.

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So in the first film Indiana Jones opens a box and the wrath of god comes out and liquifies Nazis, then in the next film he jumps out of a plane using an inflatable raft to survive falling to death, then in the third he discovers the holy grail and an immortal knight who has been guarding it since the time of the crusades, then in the fourth film he survives a nuclear blast by hiding in a lead lined fridge and THAT'S the part people slate for being unrealistic? :P
 
No, the fourth film was crap, that's what people slate it for.

The first three were classics, anything more is simply squeezing the last drops from the franchise
 
The first three are steeped in established religious mythos, and jumping out of a plane in a life raft is pretty cool if unrealistic. People have a harder time with aliens, as the mythos is less well accepted, and surviving a nuclear blast in a fridge is just stupid, uncool, and even if you did survive the explosion your bones would be shattered when you landed.

Also, yes, film 4 sucked week old donkey dong.
 
Great film you can forgive some basic crap bits, absolutely horrendously awful film... you forgive nothing(except gratuitous female nudity which would otherwise be stupid and out of place).

Either way, as von said, and something I've said in other films. When you make something up(or use a previously made up story) and use it in a film you can basically choose how it works. We're being told specifically by the story teller, the box holds powers, it's supernatural it's not "normal" and thus it works. But the story teller doesn't explain for instance that bullets can fly around corners, thus we don't expect them to. If they randomly did without it being shown at some point that in this world the film is set in they have that technology, it would be completely absurd where if they explain it, it's fine. Problem is we know what a nuclear blast is, it comes under the heading or real world items that we then expect to act as they would in the real world unless otherwise explained. The fridge didn't have a sticker on the outside, like a list of features of which the camera could have zoomed in and seen it advertised as "built out of lead, it would even survive a nuclear blast"... still absurd but they would have at least tried to explain that it's possible.

If you look hard through films most of them give you a basis for the impossible happening by making it possible in their story by explaining how it's possible(even in a brief/stupid way). Anything that reacts as it would in the real world, is unexplained, and these bits stick out like sore thumbs when they aren't explained yet react completely contrary to what we expect.

The entire 4th film was woeful, cast, acting, script, action, cgi, story, everything.
 
My main complaint is that Jones has always run like some sort of chimeric cross between an orangutan and a human. Add his age by the time of IJ4 and it just looked ludicrous. Oh, and Shia The Beef.
 
The first three worked so well because they gave you a tiny glimpse at the supernatural then slammed the lid shut. Crystal Skull is like an open casket with aliens in it.
 
Castor said:
George Lucas should never write anything ever again.....EVER.
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this is true he could fart out a music theme tune and all his fans would declare it a masterpeice :D

the first 3 were good i prefer the third as my fav but that mainly to do with sean connary and how he played his dad so well :)
 
The fourth film breaks the continuity, essentially as Vonhelmet says there was a little bit of the mystical in the first three films but ultimately it worked in a reasonably coherent fashion. The fourth film was terrible and as drunkenmaster points out it broke the rules it had established in the first three - I'm willing to suspend quite a lot of disbelief for entertainment and that's fine but when it departs from the universe that it has set up for itself then that is an issue.

That's before we get into Shia LaBeouf swinging through the jungle with monkeys, fridges as nuclear proof or aliens appearing at random.
 
Belmit said:
The first three worked so well because they gave you a tiny glimpse at the supernatural then slammed the lid shut. Crystal Skull is like an open casket with aliens in it.
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You chose (your words)........................................................wisely.















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I don't get why people slate any of the Indiana Jones movies. They were never presented as factual. They were entertainment, and this is where they excelled. When you watch them you should have a willing suspension of disbelief. They are not documentary's they are fictional action/drama films.

I pity the people who watch them and then whinge about ; 'Well this bit is absurd' or 'that bit is impossible'. If you're one of these people, then you're completely missing the point of the movies. Movies like these are there for escapism. You're meant to sit down with your popcorn, forget the real world and enjoy the action. If you can't do that then your life is a shame. :confused:
 
Vonhelmet said:
The first three are steeped in established religious mythos, and jumping out of a plane in a life raft is pretty cool if unrealistic. People have a harder time with aliens, as the mythos is less well accepted, and surviving a nuclear blast in a fridge is just stupid, uncool, and even if you did survive the explosion your bones would be shattered when you landed.

Also, yes, film 4 sucked week old donkey dong.
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I remember watching 4 and just thinking: "Please God, let it end, let it end soon. It was cringeworthy and had none of the atmosphere that the originals had. That's the problem when you revive a franchise with the same actor two decades later, he just isn't in the same place or zone that he was when he was in the prime of his life doing the originals, and it shows in the acting. The chemistry with the other actors was also non-existant. It was all crudely shoe-horned together.

Sliver said:
I don't get why people slate any of the Indiana Jones movies. They were never presented as factual. They were entertainment, and this is where they excelled. When you watch them you should have a willing suspension of disbelief. They are not documentary's they are fictional action/drama films.

I pity the people who watch them and then whinge about ; 'Well this bit is absurd' or 'that bit is impossible'. If you're one of these people, then you're completely missing the point of the movies. Movies like these are there for escapism. You're meant to sit down with your popcorn, forget the real world and enjoy the action. If you can't do that then your life is a shame. :confused:
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I pity movie goers with such simplistic taste and objective critique as you. :(

By your logic, any movie is enjoyable, no matter how badly made, because you simply should suspend all disbelief and eat your popcorn.

Ahh, how simple and uncomplicated life must be... *pats Silvers head*
 
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boxman2000 said:
No, the fourth film was crap, that's what people slate it for.

The first three were classics, anything more is simply squeezing the last drops from the franchise
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Only RotLA can be considered a classic imo. ToD was an excellent kids film but not a classic, TLC was a OK and yes, the fourth was crap.
 
Richdog said:
I pity movie goers with such simplistic taste and objective critique as you. :(

By your logic, any movie is enjoyable, no matter how badly made, because you simply should suspend all disbelief and eat your popcorn.

Ahh, how simple and uncomplicated life must be... *pats Silvers head*
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You're completely wrong. Did I mention any other movies ? No I did not. You are creating a straw man fallacy. Every movie is judged independently.

The point I was making, which you missed, was that the IJ movies were always tongue in cheek action movies. They never pretended to be anything else. So, as such, you should view them through that lens.

I would not apply the same reasoning to other movies. For example, if I was watching Lincoln which came out earlier this year, my lens would be that this is a mostly factual movie about the struggle to abolish slavery in the 1860's. Hence, I would leave my popcorn in the cupboard and judge the film in a more critical light. If I saw aliens and Nazis running around with the Arc in Lincoln, I would certainly be very critical. ;)
 
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scorza said:
Only RotLA can be considered a classic imo. ToD was an excellent kids film but not a classic, TLC was a OK and yes, the fourth was crap.
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The only good things about Temple of Doom are the minecart chase and Short Round saying "Dr. Jones! No time for love!"
 
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