Indiana Jones, it just clicked.

[Vonhelmet]

Isn't this true for most sci-fi action films, The Bourne series, Bond films, MI, Marvel films to name a few? the laws of physics are meant to be broken for the genre. Isn't that what makes them fun and exciting.. Some of my favorite action film are as daft as brush.. but they light, easy and entertaining which hits the mark.. not how realistic some thing is..

I wouldn't say the Bourne films are particularly guilty of this. Some of the Bond films maybe. I can't speak to MI, as I've only seen the first, and that was pretty sound with the exception of the helicopter in the tunnel at the end. Marvel are superhero films - all bets are off, pretty much. Even then, the Marvel films generally include some handwaving science to explain why superhero X has whatever powers he has.

It's the lack of handwaving in Crystal Skull that is the problem with the fridge scene. It makes no sense, and there is no attempt to make it make sense. There is nothing of comparable stupidity in Raiders or Crusade, and the closest you can find in Temple is the liferaft plane escape, which is pretty dumb, I'll grant you.

 

[scorza]

Your absolutely right von.. JPII is a terrible film but my point was not the film but the principle.. you can't say how ridiculous one thing is when the whole theme of the film is built around something as daft as dinosaurs living in a modern age.



Isn't this true for most sci-fi action films, The Bourne series, Bond films, MI, Marvel films to name a few? the laws of physics are meant to be broken for the genre. Isn't that what makes them fun and exciting.. Some of my favorite action film are as daft as brush.. but they light, easy and entertaining which hits the mark.. not how realistic some thing is..

There are some things which we can suspend our disbelief for, in order to be entertained and other things we can't. I can't recall the incident you're talking about in JP2, but she's absolutely right to be annoyed. Normally without this suspension of disbelief is critical to the plot e.g. in the Jurassic Park series, the re-creation of dinosaurs is critical to the overall theme of the risks of unconstrained scientific advancement, whereas bizarre and unrealistic slaying of dinosaurs is just frivolous.

 

[easyrider]

Its all about charm.

Who cares if its believable or not. The fridge scene was badly written.

 

[Admiral Huddy]

.. yet walking a leap of faith was believable? I just don't get the difference.

 

[Vonhelmet]

.. yet walking a leap of faith was believable? I just don't get the difference.

There was a path underfoot for him to walk on, it just wasn't visible from where he was stood. Hence he needed faith to believe he wouldn't fall. He's not doing anything magical at that point.

 

[easyrider]

There was a path underfoot for him to walk on, it just wasn't visible from where he was stood. Hence he needed faith to believe he wouldn't fall. He's not doing anything magical at that point.

That scene was full of richness, risk, drama and suspense.

It had oodles of charm and works.

 

[Vonhelmet]

That scene was full of richness, risk, drama and suspense.

It had oodles of charm and works.

It's an issue of goodwill. Film makers need to build goodwill with the audience if they want to bend the rules. By the time Indy climbs into the fridge, the film hasn't built up enough goodwill to get away with handling it the way it does.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

League of Gentleman S1 and S2
Black Mirror
The Wire
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Mad Men
Lost
Game of Thrones
Dexter
House of Cards
Boardwalk Empire
The Shield
Spaced

There are loads of great shows to watch...

Seen all them

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I thought I'd watch it again today and I can't see why anybody has got a problem with it -

Typical turn your brain off film and enjoy the ride

 

[Secret_Window]

Raiders and Last Crusade, are my two favourite Indy movies. Raiders is probably my favourite of the two.

Temple of doom is not as good as Raiders and Last Crusade, but still retains classic Indy moments, despite feeling very confined for an Indy flick.

Indy 4 just seems so out of place. There are far too many moments which don't seem to fit in line with what we know and expect from an Indiana Jones movie. It was somewhat inevitable the Nazi/religion theme would progress to something else, but the whole Alien theme could have been so much better. In fact, Frank Darabont, who wrote the scripts for The Green Mile and The Shawshank Redemption, had written several drafts for Indy 4 for Spielberg. So why did this not turn out brilliantly? Well, Lucas had issues with it, and decided to take over and write it himself. Once Lucas was happy, they hired David Koepp to continue adding final touches to the draft (Frank Darabont's script rewritten by Lucas!).

 

[silversurfer]

No, the fourth film was crap, that's what people slate it for.

I liked the scene with the ants. It lacked otherwise, all the others had mystique. I used to have the cartoon book of the film, even that was great. The part with snakes and he topples the statue through the wall, ants not quite as good

Right now they are still digging up ancient Egypt graves for their artifacts, looters and that. The storylines were more real even if super natural. The immortal knight and the chalice, is the knights templar - seemed real

 

[Lysander]

I thought I'd watch it again today and I can't see why anybody has got a problem with it - [/IMG]

Typical turn your brain off film and enjoy the ride

Precisely. I remember coming out the cinema with my ex when it finished and listening to people say, "what a rubbish film, none of that would ever happen!". We both were astounded at the crass reactions from people. It's a piece of fantasy, enjoy it for what it is.

 

[jellybeard999]

I didn't mind Indy 4 - nowhere near as good as Raiders or The Last Crusade, but IMO better than the Temple of Doom - I just don't like that film for some reason.

 

[boxman2000]

I also didn't like Indy 4 as I didn't find it had the variety in locations - think back to at least Last Crusade and Raiders, many varied scenes but Crystal Skull didn't do it for me on that front.

Its like a Bond film set entirely in one or two places, Indy's job it to hunt down the treasure, follow the clues.

 

[CharlieRich]

Please tell me I'm not the only one whos been looking for the Big Bang Theory reference here...?

Raiders of The Lost Ark, Indiana Jones had nothing to do with it, if he hadn't even been in the film, the Nazis would have still opened the Ark and all died??

 

[quickshot89]

Please tell me I'm not the only one whos been looking for the Big Bang Theory reference here...?

Raiders of The Lost Ark, Indiana Jones had nothing to do with it, if he hadn't even been in the film, the Nazis would have still opened the Ark and all died??

Nope, quite frankly its a brilliant clip from the series, as its so true!

 

[Richdog]

Precisely. I remember coming out the cinema with my ex when it finished and listening to people say, "what a rubbish film, none of that would ever happen!". We both were astounded at the crass reactions from people. It's a piece of fantasy, enjoy it for what it is.

Im surprised you even make such a post at this stage, unless you hadn't read the rest of the thread, with people clearly stating why people fail to suspend disbelief when a film is bad.

 

[The Dread Pirate]

Please tell me I'm not the only one whos been looking for the Big Bang Theory reference here...?

Raiders of The Lost Ark, Indiana Jones had nothing to do with it, if he hadn't even been in the film, the Nazis would have still opened the Ark and all died??

However had he not been there the Ark would then have just sat in the middle of the Desert Forever rather than being packed up to be studied by "Top Men" although he was originally intending to donate it to a museum but after what he saw it do to the Nazi's I feel he made the correct decision and thus without him the ark would've sat there waiting for some crackpot to come along and take it and use it for nefarious purposes making him the hero Hah! beat that big bang!

 

[CharlieRich]

However had he not been there the Ark would then have just sat in the middle of the Desert Forever rather than being packed up to be studied by "Top Men" although he was originally intending to donate it to a museum but after what he saw it do to the Nazi's I feel he made the correct decision and thus without him the ark would've sat there waiting for some crackpot to come along and take it and use it for nefarious purposes making him the hero Hah! beat that big bang!

Fair play sir, have my like!

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I tell you what was a bit far fetched in Crystal Skulls - the bit where they are racing around in the warehouse and they hit a box which opens up to reveal the Ark.
Ridiculous.