what about the thudguard? However did the human race evolve without this little gem?
http://www.thudguard.com/
http://www.thudguard.com/
Is it Legal for a baby to ride pillion on a Motorcycle?
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do I need to specify involved in a road accident?
pretty much all those videos are people on MTB's in forests and one guy on the road that does a wheelie at about 3miles an hour
non of them appear to be people driving around normally , obviously if your on a MTB trail with jumps and stuff you should be wearing a helmet a full face one
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Why bother though? It wouldn't save their life?do I need to specify involved in a road accident?
pretty much all those videos are people on MTB's in forests and one guy on the road that does a wheelie at about 3miles an hour
non of them appear to be people driving around normally , obviously if your on a MTB trail with jumps and stuff you should be wearing a helmet a full face one
it ius pretty popular to hate on bikers.
also attaching a child to a 200kg+ lump of metal with a huge amount of inertia is not going to end well for that child, in the event of a crash they need to be able to come away from the bike.
look at james cracknell, his helmet saved his life! its their to save your life, i dunno why people would even argue against this? its going to cause more protection than hitting your head directly against the concrete!
also those kids helmets are seriously poor fitment/size
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I feel naked when I don't wear mine. I posted fairly gross images on here of some injuries I sustained a while back including helmet damage. I could never ride without one in future and to those cyclists who disagree - you aren't doing yourself any favours.
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There will ALWAYS be anecdotal evidence of helmets saving lives, but doing a study including a wide population shows their benefit is negligible. Just because someone famous or a relative was saved by wearing a helmet means next to nothing, particularly a freak accident like Cracknell's.
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But all of those things are within the scope of the law though? Presumably you wouldn't randomly pull over a driver who was doing nothing and ask them if their vehicle was road legal?
The hubris of some people to think that if they ever were in an accident the infinitely random and complex series of events will some how work out better for them if they.... didn't wear a helmet. Because you know when and how it'll happen?
It's too chaotic, one person might survive on physical differences itself, let alone the accident, what hits you, how blunt or sharp or crushing, how hard, how quickly you stop. Do you bounce around, does it even hit your head, when? Does it constrict, does it pull, or twist your neck and/or head. You can't risk that.
Get off of this "It'll never happen to me" brigade.
It's too chaotic, one person might survive on physical differences itself, let alone the accident, what hits you, how blunt or sharp or crushing, how hard, how quickly you stop. Do you bounce around, does it even hit your head, when? Does it constrict, does it pull, or twist your neck and/or head. You can't risk that.
Get off of this "It'll never happen to me" brigade.
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Again, you've missed the point. I've tried to point out how pointless it is to make a big deal out of wearing a helmet or not because the difference it makes is potentially minimal. Once road planners have made the road safer for cyclists and motorists to coexist together and both sides have been educated on how to share the road space, then we can start picking on finicky things like helmets and headphones. It should be a secondary issue but it's seemingly the primary one because people who don't understand the risks facing cyclists control the debate.
FYI, I wear a helmet but I don't put much faith in it saving my life so ride accordingly.
FYI, I wear a helmet but I don't put much faith in it saving my life so ride accordingly.
Thats the thing, it does mean something.. It has more benefit on than off, abd those freak accidents could well happen therefore you wear a helmet to reduce chances not eliminate it completely..
It provides a layer of protection and youre dumb if you honestly believe youre better off without one
well said
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I never said you're better off without one, I said there was negligible benefit in wearing one. That's different.
To put it a different way:
For a small proportion of accidents a helmet may save your life
For a small proportion of accidents it might actually make injuries worse
For the vast majority it will make bugger all difference
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This is a silly attitude to have.
There are potential gains to be had by wearing a helmet and no real evidence of any downsides.
So, a helmet might not save your life/serious head injury but it MIGHT do and in wearing it you do not expose yourself to any other risk than messing up your hair.
You/People are combining issues. Stating that Helmet wear is moot because road planning needs to be improved because it is a bigger risk to cyclists compared to not wearing a helmet is silly also. Why ignore a risk mitigation (even if lesser) because a better risk mitigation is not currently available to you?
As for the OP, it was answered early. Pillion must be able to reach foot pegs and wear a helmet in an appropriate manner.
As for the comment on Police only enforcing law and doing nothing else, could not be further from the truth. Enforcing Law works on the law - Obviously. But absolutely no law or power is needed to speak to people and offer advice. If they want to ignore you and sod off, they can. It's the duty of an officer to point out action and inaction that is potentially life threatening. Positive obligation under Article 2 of Human Rights (Right to life) if you really want some kinda legal basis for such advice.
a meteor could fall from the sky and smash my head in.
does this mean I should wear a hard hat helmet like builders do? just because there is a tiny risk?
IT IS FOR ME TO DECIDE THE RISKS AND WHETHER OT NOT I WANT TO ACCEPT THEM. IT IS MY LIFE AND NOT YOURS SO WHY THE HELL DO YOU CARE SO MUCH?
I am an adult not a child I am fully capable of making my own life decisions.... just because you might not agree with them does not mean you should force your opinion onto me
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Apart from studies showing drivers treat cyclists with helmets with less care than those without, of course.
Ridiculous.
The sort of driver who poses the most risk to cyclists does not have forward vision or observational skills honed enough to recognise whether a cyclist has a helmet on or not.