LIfe After Death

Do you have any links to some good articles/videos on this subject? Especially related to your first paragraph.

Not good ones, in my opinion, but I can give you a couple of names to look for and you can judge the articles and videos for yourself. William Dobelle was the researcher and Jens Naumann is "patient alpha", the first person with the potentially practical system implanted. An earlier test patient had an implant in the 1970s that was primarily intended to test the viability of neural implants and only gave slow motion extremely low res vision and only when connected to a room-sized mainframe, but Jen Naumann had the version you can walk with. Or drive with - Dobelle lent Naumann his car for a slow drive around a car park. If Dobelle hadn't died in 2004, improvements would almost certainly have continued. Portable computer hardware was one of the things holding Dobelle back and that's improved a great deal in the last 10 years.

This old Wired article is quite good:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.09/vision.html

There are other researchers working on it, but Dobelle was unusual. It was his life's work, he funded himself and he pushed things (e.g. when testing the idea of retinal implants before deciding that neural implants were required, he used himself as a test subject).


Regarding longevity, I've watched some talks given by Dr Aubrey De Grey and I find it fascinating :) from what I remember he believes it's almost a certainty that our life expectancy will grow rapidly in the future - in fact it's already growing quickly.
Life expectancy has almost doubled in modern times, but that has been mainly due to a huge decrease in pre-adult mortality (in the past, only about 2/3rds of people survived to adulthood). Life expectancy is a misnomer. It says nothing about how long a person can reasonably expect to live. It's just an average. e.g. if you have 2 people who die at 70 and 1 person who dies at 1, the "life expectancy" of that group of 3 people is 47.

Is there actually rapid growth in the age at which old age kills people, or is that fewer people are dying at relatively young ages?

The most rapid increase in "life expectancy" is already over (at least in this country) because pre-adult mortality has been vastly decreased. Slower increases in the last few decades might be explained by fewer people dying in their 40s and 50s from increasingly curable problems and earlier diagnoses. Is there evidence that people are aging more slowly than in the past?
 
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You just die, you simple cease to exist - as injury to the brain can result in a loss of function (the ability to see, hear or even impact on morality & creativity - its a reasonable assumption to presume total brain injury (death) will result in total loss of person).

Thinking otherwise to me seems to be a case of wishful thinking, as a species we have a tendency to deny death. Obviously this is pendent on if you are a substance dualist or not (i'm not simply because we don't need to invent a magical type of existence to explain human behaviour) - the entire philosophy seems entrenched in ego.
 
You just die, you simple cease to exist - as injury to the brain can result in a loss of function (the ability to see, hear or even impact on morality & creativity - its a reasonable assumption to presume total brain injury (death) will result in total loss of person). [..]

Bad sectors on a drive can result in loss of function of software that was stored on those sectors. That wouldn't end the existence of that software if it had been copied to a different drive.

I think there isn't enough evidence either way to make reliable assumptions.
 
There was an interesting experiment conducted whereby a human near death was placed within an airtight sealed tube on a highly accurate set of scales (able to detect ridiculously small changes in weight).

End result was something along the lines of: when subject died, weight was lost immediately from the capsule, yet no fluids, gasses or solids entered or left the container. (I believe that) the belief was that the soul had departed the body, and that chemical reactions to form lighter elements could not have occurred so suddenly after death.

For the record, I think we die and that is it. Finito. Blackness.
 
There was an interesting experiment conducted whereby a human near death was placed within an airtight sealed tube on a highly accurate set of scales (able to detect ridiculously small changes in weight).

End result was something along the lines of: when subject died, weight was lost immediately from the capsule, yet no fluids, gasses or solids entered or left the container. (I believe that) the belief was that the soul had departed the body, and that chemical reactions to form lighter elements could not have occurred so suddenly after death.

Sounds like nonsense. Link?
 
Assuming a soul did exist I can't see why it would ever be a physical part of the body and IIRC that "test" was later proved flawed.
 
Bad sectors on a drive can result in loss of function of software that was stored on those sectors. That wouldn't end the existence of that software if it had been copied to a different drive.

I think there isn't enough evidence either way to make reliable assumptions.
i disagree.

Assumptions based on plausibility we are well within our means to do, to say - nothing happens requires no additional elements to be explained, neither does it create more questions than it answers.

Obviously its not a certainty, but we cant be certain a giant invisible pink unicorn isn't riding around either, just no justifiable reason exists to believe either one.

A computer program isn't the best analogy, as its replicable & multiple copies of the same thing exist - the fact is from at least the external perspective a dead person is simply dead, worm food without any function or life.

These beliefs make perfect sense, I mean who doesn't want to escape death in favour of some magical way out?. Personally I'd love to be able to believe it, i just cant.
 
There was an interesting experiment conducted whereby a human near death was placed within an airtight sealed tube on a highly accurate set of scales (able to detect ridiculously small changes in weight).

End result was something along the lines of: when subject died, weight was lost immediately from the capsule, yet no fluids, gasses or solids entered or left the container. (I believe that) the belief was that the soul had departed the body, and that chemical reactions to form lighter elements could not have occurred so suddenly after death.
I call BS.
 
I came from nothingness, so when I go back to being nothingness, there's nothing stopping me becoming something again. (probably)

Either way, being dead means you don't exist, so you can't worry about it. And if you come alive again as someone else, then happy days. So no matter what happens, top stuff, really.
 
I call BS.

21 grams is what he's referring to (the weight of the human soul).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_MacDougall_(doctor)


In 1901, MacDougall weighed six patients while they were in the process of dying from tuberculosis in an old age home. It was relatively easy to determine when death was only a few hours away, and at this point the entire bed was placed on an industrial sized scale which was apparently sensitive to the gram. He took his results (a varying amount of perceived mass loss in most of the six cases) to support his hypothesis that the soul had mass, and when the soul departed the body, so did this mass. The determination of the soul weighing 21 grams was based on the average loss of mass in the six patients within moments after death. Experiments on mice and other animals took place. Most notably the weighing upon death of sheep seemed to create mass for a few minutes which later disappeared. The hypothesis was made that a soul portal formed upon death which then whisked the soul away.

There was also a film with Sean Penn of that very same name too.
 
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There was an interesting experiment conducted whereby a human near death was placed within an airtight sealed tube on a highly accurate set of scales (able to detect ridiculously small changes in weight).

End result was something along the lines of: when subject died, weight was lost immediately from the capsule, yet no fluids, gasses or solids entered or left the container. (I believe that) the belief was that the soul had departed the body, and that chemical reactions to form lighter elements could not have occurred so suddenly after death.

For the record, I think we die and that is it. Finito. Blackness.


escept it was a bed o na dodgy industrial scale in a completely non sealed environment.

also sheep gai nweihght when they die it seems :p
 
Pointless question that so many obsess about.

Think what you think; big castles in the sky, fire pits below, 50 virgins in the sky with open legs, coming back as blade of grass, another human or dead=wormfood.

Who knows? Certainly no one alive does and currently we have no way to answer the question. We (may) find out when we do die, we may not.

Life your life and don't be a ****.
 
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I like to think as soon as we die, we are born somewhere else. Complete fresh, a clean slate as it were.

My Grandad always used to say "Son, in a previous life I was a Viking".

I suppose it has always stuck with me that kind of thought that we were someone else in a previous life. So we never really end.
 
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