Richard Dawkins sums up religion

GiraffePencils · 3 Dec 2013 at 14:54

Gilly said:
Why was it God's work?

Well the argument is god kicked off the big bang. and 'wrote' the laws of physics.

I just agreed with the people that have that view, they understand science and accept it, they just trace it back to the start and say 'god'
where as atheist goes 'and what before that?'

Edit:
It's not my view... more accept than agree

Skunkworks · 3 Dec 2013 at 14:54

kedge said:
Indeed.

An elephant, a dog, a fly, a duck-billed platypus, an ape and a human being, six species, six distinct kinds...

Can you define "kind", and tell us how it differs from the definition of species?

I know you'll ignore this, or provide some flippant answer like you have the dozens of other times I’ve asked, but have you ever asked yourself why the creationists can’t/won’t provide a definition?

Gilly · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:01

GiraffePencils said:
Well the argument is god kicked off the big bang. and 'wrote' the laws of physics.

I just agreed with the people that have that view, they understand science and accept it, they just trace it back to the start and say 'god'
where as atheist goes 'and what before that?'

Edit:
It's not my view... more accept than agree

No, I know that, but you seemed to present the position that because science can't currently answer the question as to why the BB happened that it is clearly God's work and that can't be reasonably argued.

Science has answered lots of questions it hasn't previously been able to, and continues apace. The fact that it cannot currently answer something that someone else says 'well there you go then; God!' doesn't make that a truism.

thep02 · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:05

GiraffePencils said:
Well the argument is god kicked off the big bang. and 'wrote' the laws of physics.

I just agreed with the people that have that view, they understand science and accept it, they just trace it back to the start and say 'god'
where as atheist goes 'and what before that?'

Edit:
It's not my view... more accept than agree

The big bang was always relatively spurious science based upon not much at all, more a compromise designed to get Roman Catholics into the science fold.

Schlong&Stable · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:06

Gilly said:
Science has answered lots of questions it hasn't previously been able to, and continues apace. The fact that it cannot currently answer something that someone else says 'well there you go then; God!' doesn't make that a truism.

Logic dictates the existence of God. We cannot have come from nothing, since nothing comes from nothing, ergo we came from something. Something must have made that something, or else we'd just have nothing. So there is definitely something beyond our something.

thep02 · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:10

Thompson_NCL said:
Logic dictates the existence of God. We cannot have come from nothing, since nothing comes from nothing, ergo we came from something. Something must have made that something, or else we'd just have nothing. So there is definitely something beyond our something.

What made god?

Schlong&Stable · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:13

thep02 said:
What made god?

God is outside the laws of our universe I suppose. Perhaps he is bound by the laws of whatever higher existnce he came from and is therefore not God in the grand scheme of things. But we're perhaps too small to worry about that.

dirtychinchilla · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:14

NirK said:
It gives people a better perspective on life and makes them feel better.

That's really not true. The secular among us have a mostly normal perspective on life that has not been skewed by archaic doctrine and arbitrary rulings i.e. homosexuality. I expect that very few secularists (or atheists) are homophobic.

Thompson_NCL said:
God is outside the laws of our universe I suppose. Perhaps he is bound by the laws of whatever higher existnce he came from and is therefore not God in the grand scheme of things. But we're perhaps too small to worry about that.

Oh please can we stop with this! If there is a God, it came out of nothing in the same way that we cam out of nothing. The theory that I know of states something along these lines:

If matter and antimatter ever meet, they will annihilate to form absolutely nothing. This process may well be reversible, and if so, something could be created from nothing.

Anyway, God would come from nothing in the same way that we do, and that does not prove the existence of a god.

Further to that, everything in this universe is bound by the same laws. This is most likely unavoidable.

GiraffePencils · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:15

I was giving a gross simplification of the argument, and st thomas was born in 1225

But just the idea that they fully believe all of science, and that we'll really never understand WHY, as there's always the next why.
why do things fall, mavity
Why do thing have mavity etc etc

Then to believe god is at the root cause, Is a fair belief to hold,
It's when people leave it that and stop asking 'why' that we get problems, when people have picked a point where they stop listening and stick with god (things fall because god, mavity is a lie).
They as the ignorant people, along with the whole crap of "believing science is faith" that's just bloody wrong, go read a book, no one is hiding the information from you, you can prove it yourself, and if you continue to deny it after seeing the experiment provide the evidence. Don't try and make other people believe you....

Gilly · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:15

Thompson_NCL said:
Logic dictates the existence of God. We cannot have come from nothing, since nothing comes from nothing, ergo we came from something. Something must have made that something, or else we'd just have nothing. So there is definitely something beyond our something.

Need to break this one down.

Thompson_NCL said:
Logic dictates the existence of God.

No it doesn't.

Thompson_NCL said:
We cannot have come from nothing

Why?

Thompson_NCL said:
since nothing comes from nothing

Prove it.

Thompson_NCL said:
Something must have made that something, or else we'd just have nothing.

Why?

Thompson_NCL said:
So there is definitely something beyond our something.

Your proof of there being 'something else' is that we don't know what caused something?

That's not proof, so to say 'there must be' is a mistake.

koolpc · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:15

God created everything. Believe it or not. That's up to you. I believe and i feel good about that. If you feel good not believing then so be it. Love of God is awesome and until the feel that love then you will always be missing out on the real truth.

Gilly · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:18

I'm glad some people find comfort in the comfort blanket that is a magic man in the sky. I just don't like it when they expect someone of sound mind to agree with them.

dirtychinchilla · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:19

koolpc said:
God created everything. Believe it or not. That's up to you. I believe and i feel good about that. If you feel good not believing then so be it. Love of God is awesome and until the feel that love then you will always be missing out on the real truth.

How do you feel it? I feel love from my girlfriend, but she's warm and soft to touch.

spoffle · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:21

Gilly said:
I'm glad some people find comfort in the comfort blanket that is a magic man in the sky. I just don't like it when they expect someone of sound mind to agree with them.

Well now you've just ruined it and undermined yourself with this sort of response. What is it with Atheists and the need to assert that everyone is crazy if they don't believe what they believe?

It doesn't work that way.

Gilly · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:21

spoffle said:
Well now you've just ruined it and undermined yourself with this sort of response. What is it with Atheists and the need to assert that everyone is crazy if they don't believe what they believe?

It doesn't work that way.

I'm not an atheist.

[edit]And nor do I like the faith position of atheism.

Columbo · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:23

Thompson_NCL said:
God is outside the laws of our universe I suppose. Perhaps he is bound by the laws of whatever higher existnce he came from and is therefore not God in the grand scheme of things. But we're perhaps too small to worry about that.

So millions of years ago God created all the conditions and laws by which we now exist and then buggered back to where he came. Why?

The dinosaurs turned up which 65 million years ago he decided to let them be wiped out. Why?

Then 2000 years ago decided to drop a his son, our apparent savior onto the earth for us all to worship. Why?

Seems plausible. :rolleyes:

Also if we are created in his supposed image, why the hell would he build in such mistakes as cancer, or allow us to be susceptible to numerous infectious diseases which he obviously must have also formulated.

GiraffePencils · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:23

dirtychinchilla said:
How do you feel it? I feel love from my girlfriend, but she's warm and soft to touch.

sounds like you just feel her.....

But yeah, feeling gods love is kinda like feeling jennifer lawrence's love that a fanboy would say.

Though believing god loves you, I don't mind people saying that, but feeling it's all in your head.

spoffle · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:23

So why take the position of people not being of sound mind if they believe in a higher power?

That's like Militant Atheist 101.

dirtychinchilla · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:25

Because there are so many blinders, we can't believe you can't see them! I can appreciate that it's hard to imagine our view point from your own, though, as we struggle to understand yours.

thep02 · 3 Dec 2013 at 15:25

Thompson_NCL said:
I suppose. .

Cool, so we've both got the the point of I don't know, that's settled so now let's get onto the methods, doctrines and madnesses of the religions practiced in 21 century CE united kingdom and why some or one should be adhered to and not others and I'm saying the chance of any of them being correct, knowing what we know of history and human psychology, are close to if not zero all are almost certainly wrong and merely constructs of control or accidents of our history, please don't try to tell me the Borgia pope or those that came before or after were either good or godly. Unless Satan was their god, lol!