End of the tax disc

Skeeter said:
The direct debit is still a years worth of Tax, just paid for in monthly installments. There is nothing in there to suggest they are moving away from a system of paying for Tax a year at a time.
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This appears to be the start of a move to push people towards paying monthly rather then annually. Once this is common practice VED will rise simply because people will be less likely to kick up a fuss over a £5 per month rise than they will a £60 per year one.

Call me a cynic but an "overhaul of vehicle excise duty." is unlikely to result in many people paying less to the government than they do now.
 
will this affect the ability to sell a vehicle "taxed" or to obtain a refund against your tax when say disposing of a vehicle?
 
I wish they'd just stick it on fuel and be done with it.
The present system is just stupid as many of the highest polluters actually pay less than many of the lowest polluters.

Mr Goodsell does 40k miles per year in his low polluting, 2013 114d. He pays £20/year and produces over 7 tonnes of carbon. He feels smug because of his low-emissions vehicle.
Mr Bigfarm does 10k miles per year in the Range Rover he needs to get across his farm. He pays £490/year and produces 5 tonnes of carbon.
Mr Oldman does 2k miles per year in his 2006 Ford Mondeo 2.0. He pays £260/year and produces 0.6 tonnes of carbon.
Mr Flashgit does 500 miles per year in his Ferrari 599. He pays £490/year and produces 0.3 tonnes of carbon.

If they put it on fuel, the most polluting people will pay the most. Simple.
 
Yep.

Last year I did little more than 2,000 miles in my car, and the Government got £250 from me for it.

This year, if I keep going at my current rate, I will do 20,000 miles in my car, and the Government will get... £250.

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Firestar_3x said:
They could shift everyone onto a month by month basis, and slowly bump up the rates.
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I haven't read anywhere we they are stating you can ONLY pay on a monthly basis. All that has been said is the cost to pay by DD is being reduced from 10% to 5%.

The charge for paying by direct debit will also be reduced from ten per cent to five per cent.
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Personally I will continue to pay my tax annually, as it saves money, just like I pay the line rental with BT annually rather than monthly as it saves a bit of money.
 
A year or two ago I worked out the VED on the track car for a particular year had cost me about 30p per road mile :p (It's trailered to most events but kept road legal for the occasional road test, moving it to the place the trailer is stored and as backup if one of the dailies is off the road.)

Adding it to the cost of fuel would be fine by me!
 
MooMoo444 said:
Paying the tax a little each month will help than having a lump sum to worry about at the end of the year, this is great

A good idea from the government, who woulda thunk it!?
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It's a shame EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS before the government decide that its a revolutionary idea that should be implemented.
 
I can see this being of great benefit for those people with "summer only" classics/convertibles, etc. Much easier to set up a DD and pay on a monthly basis rather than having to faff around with going to the post office/send off for a tax disc, wait for it to turn up (by which time it's raining again...), then sending the disc back and applying for a refund at the end of it all...
 
Rilot said:
I wish they'd just stick it on fuel and be done with it.
The present system is just stupid as many of the highest polluters actually pay less than many of the lowest polluters.

Mr Goodsell does 40k miles per year in his low polluting, 2013 114d. He pays £20/year and produces over 7 tonnes of carbon. He feels smug because of his low-emissions vehicle.
Mr Bigfarm does 10k miles per year in the Range Rover he needs to get across his farm. He pays £490/year and produces 5 tonnes of carbon.
Mr Oldman does 2k miles per year in his 2006 Ford Mondeo 2.0. He pays £260/year and produces 0.6 tonnes of carbon.
Mr Flashgit does 500 miles per year in his Ferrari 599. He pays £490/year and produces 0.3 tonnes of carbon.

If they put it on fuel, the most polluting people will pay the most. Simple.
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This. It would probably also make people more likely to use their legs or a cycle too. The current system is stupid. This new "change" is kinda nothing.
 
I can think of no downsides to adding it to fuel.

If you do 500 miles a year in say a 2007 M3 as a weekend toy you pay almost £500 a year in road tax. If you do 40,000 miles a year in some sort of nasty diesel thing with ultra low emissions you pay no road tax. There is no logic in this at all.

Putting it on fuel is fair to everyone. The more economical and environmentally friendly your car, the less tax you pay. The more fuel you burn, the more tax you pay. The less you use your car the less tax you pay.

Why WOULDNT you want that unless you are one of these people with cars that cheat the system and get free or £30 tax? :p
 
So what happens when you get stopped by the police because the DVLA computer decides you don't have tax even though you do?

You should get a producer but I expect the more zealous police forces will start impounding.... the tax disc was the "receipt" you could keep to prove you had paid. Now that is removed you are reliant on the computers being updated correctly.
 
[TW]Fox;25435040 said:
I can think of no downsides to adding it to fuel.

If you do 500 miles a year in say a 2007 M3 as a weekend toy you pay almost £500 a year in road tax. If you do 40,000 miles a year in some sort of nasty diesel thing with ultra low emissions you pay no road tax. There is no logic in this at all.

Putting it on fuel is fair to everyone. The more economical and environmentally friendly your car, the less tax you pay. The more fuel you burn, the more tax you pay. The less you use your car the less tax you pay.

Why WOULDNT you want that unless you are one of these people with cars that cheat the system and get free or £30 tax? :p
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It depends where they set the line, I suppose. If they work out that averaged across every car in the country we pay 10 per litre in Road Tax, yet then set it to 20p per litre on top of fuel, most people would be peeved.

I wonder if there are figures out there for total number of cars taxed, total income from road tax per year, and the total volume of fuel we consume per year?

Edit: Quick Google suggests £5.4bn raised from VED, and 17bn litres of fuel sold in the UK. So to make the same money from increased fuel tax as they do now from VED, the government would need to add 31.7p to the price of a litre of fuel. You should be able to work out from that how many miles you can drive before you start paying more.

Hmm...

Edit 2: Just worked out I would only need to do over 6000 miles a year before I paid more with tax on fuel than I do with the current system. So no, maybe I'm not for adding it to fuel :p

AtreuS said:
So what happens when you get stopped by the police because the DVLA computer decides you don't have tax even though you do?

You should get a producer but I expect the more zealous police forces will start impounding.... the tax disc was the "receipt" you could keep to prove you had paid. Now that is removed you are reliant on the computers being updated correctly.
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A tax disc has never been able to over rule what the computerized lookup says.
 
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