Nelson Mandela has died

ubern00b said:
People need to realise that in apartheid South Africa anyone of colour going against the government was going to be silenced with non-peaceful means. He tried peaceful protesting first but it didn't work.

He was a terrorist in the eyes of apartheid South Africa and yes he killed or ordered the killing of a lot of people but he was fighting for the right for equality for people of colour in South Africa.

He was no saint and his actions questionable but I think his good went a long way for making amends for it.

I grew up in apartheid and post apartheid South Africa and I saw the change first hand. You can all sit behind your keyboards and say he was this or that but none of you made the sort of change he did and if you did have to, what means would you go to to ensure or protect your freedom?
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I know nothing of Mandela to be quite honest.

But to answer your last question, not take another persons freedom from them.
 
Malevolence said:
Died without even offering the slightest of apologies to the families of the many victims of his murderous organisation, or showing even the slightest hint of remorse for his own murderous actions.

One less terrorist in the World, no sympathy here.
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RIP Nelson Mandela. Some people inspire individuals. Some groups, tribes even nations. There are very few who inspire generations. A truly amazing man who embodied the very best of humanity.
 
I wonder, would those who slate Nelson Mandela have rolled over and lived under the brutality of the Apartheid years or would they have made a stand ?

He won. Apartheid lost.

I hope he has found peace.
 
No1newts said:
Yeah because mass murder of civilians isn't terrorism.

The best thing is most of those praising him are probably doing so off the back of reading the papers without any real knowledge of the atrocities he commited.

If those of you labelling him a great man do so for Bin Laden, Adams et al as well then fair play. I highly doubt it though, hence you are hypocrites.
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This is a nice example of how subjective, or fluid, 'history' can be. The establishment are, today, projecting a very different picture of the man than they did 30-40 years ago.
 
It's always going to be contentious - apartheid was clearly something that needed to challenged but was it right and just to do so by inciting mass murder, terrorism and even torture? Some will say no, others will say yes.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
I wonder, would those who slate Nelson Mandela have rolled over and lived under the brutality of the Apartheid years or would they have made a stand ?

He won. Apartheid lost.

I hope he has found peace.
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this just opens a massive can of worms. i'm under no illusion he was a freedom fighter but there is no escaping the fact he was responsible for some very bad things. things which would never be explained in great deal by the likes of the BBC or our gutless leader.

i'll be interested to read peter hitchen's take on this.
 
Kenai said:
It's always going to be contentious - apartheid was clearly something that needed to challenged but was it right and just to do so by inciting mass murder, terrorism and even torture? Some will say no, others will say yes.
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Some will say no when it affects them (or a group they identify with), and yes when it doesn't.
 
No1newts said:
Yeah because mass murder of civilians isn't terrorism.
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When you are in power it's anything you want it to be. Someone takes a stand against your tyranny? then they are instantly "terrorists"

Yet if those same people overthrow a brutal dictator they are "revolutionaries"

Of course it also matters if they are black or white. If whites rebel it's generally seen as a good thing, but not the same for blacks?

If you want mass murder take a look at what the USA & UK have been doing for the last few hundred years.

RIP Nelson.
 
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