Nelson Mandela has died

[deuse]

If that's the sum total of your counter argument I think you are the one who is quite clearly the idiot

He's just living up to a misspelling of his username.

Errrr?...... No butthurt here pal, it's all in your head, just as the imaginary world that you seem to inhabit is; you know the one where you don't lack the intelligence and eloquence to present your counter arguments instead of jumping up and down, name calling and claiming you won't produce a response because you are somehow better.

You carry on hiding away behind your self convinced lie but you are very transparent

And here we go..GD never fails

 

[Frightful Boar]

And here we go..GD never fails

Haha, what a bunch of bullies

 

[glenimp617]

<fantheflames>I wonder if mandela has met god yet</fantheflames>

 

[Atlas23]

SSSHHHH

I'm waiting for ganging up to start.

And here we go..GD never fails

Are you a wizard?

 

[deuse]

Are you a wizard?

when certain people post together you know someone is going to get it

 

[Gerard]

Amusing to see Loyalist facebook comments on this over here in "norn iron", nothing but terrorist, bomber etc. Must be great to live in the loyalist fantasy land where the UFF, UVF, LVF etc never existed. Some racial slurs being thrown around by them as well.

 

[Greboth]

As apparently you can't judge a man for something he did during a specific time (a nonsense phrase by the way) do you advocate pardoning every crime because we need to account for the good and the bad someone did before passing judgement?

Yes ofcourse that is what I meant when I was talking about judging a man who is dead /sarcasm. To add the clarification which wasn't really needed, You cannot judge a man's life based upon his actions during a specific period of it. The judgement should be taken based upon his entire life. Obviously for criminal proceedings judgment is passed upon a specific time or action but judging criminal activity is not the same as judging a mans life.

That's not the debate at all. The debate is, should we be lauding a killer and terrorist. Some people are desperate to defend Mandela for some obscure reason (I suspect it's guilt for being secretly racist, but I could be wrong)

Err that is what I said, people are saying he shouldn't be lauded as he is a terrorist, others he should be due to the amount of good he did. How is that not a debate over whether the good out weigh the bad?

Racism?! What? So I, as a white guy, am secretly racist and due to this think that a black man who killed black and white people should have his life judged on its entirity and that IMO he has left the world in a better place than when he was born. Ermm ok.

Why are you so eager to defend someone like him?

I am not trying to defend him, simply trying understand the logic of people who judge him seemingly purely based upon his early life. Or for those who do look at his life as a whole judge him different to many other people who can (and should) be judged by same yard stick.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK

Have you got a proper reference for this or are you just quoting other forums & Facebook pages?
Even the Daily Mail will do.

 

[Efour]

http://world.time.com/2013/12/05/bono-the-man-who-could-not-cry/

Time even used it.. Must be true?

 

[Tom_ed1987]

5794 people at the BBC had an orgasm at work today.

 

[One More Solo]

I guess the makers of Invictus didn't have the budget to off Mandela on the day of the premiere.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I guess the makers of Invictus didn't have the budget to off Mandela on the day of the premiere.

I shouldn't laugh.

 

[Mr Jack]

Have you got a proper reference for this or are you just quoting other forums & Facebook pages?
Even the Daily Mail will do.

Mandela was one of the founders of MK, unquestionably, however most of their attacks were carried out whilst he was in jail and it had killed no-one when he was jailed so its not clear what level of personal responsibility he can carry for the killings they carried out. The acts of sabotage he admitted to were sabotage not terrorist bombing attacks.

The MK, during its terrorist campaign killed 130 people, including 100 civilians (60 black, 40 white).

All these can easily be checked at the usual sources (e.g. Wikipedia).

 

[elmarko]

A chip "in" my shoulder? Idiot.

I don't get involved in sad, line by line rebuttals, as you well know because you seem to have a hard on for me and respond to me in every thread I post in.

Thanks for highlighting your own inability to defend your position.

As it's only when I see incredibly stupid posts do I feel the need to comment in topics I'm not that interested in, you will find a disproportionally large amount of them being directed at you. I suggest you visit a library, read a book - maybe even research a subject before posting if you wish to avoid being criticised.

 

[leaskovski]

Wow, blokes dead. Just leave it and let the people who want to mourn, mourn. This is GD, there is no point arguing with each other because you are all stubborn keyboard warriors who are arrogant with your views and think you are always right.

Just give it a rest the let the dead man be dead.

 

[dannyjo22]

This is GD, there is no point arguing with each other because you are all stubborn keyboard warriors who are arrogant with your views and think you are always right..

I only stick around in the hope that one day I will see someone post "Good counter argument, you have totally changed my view".

All people want to do is keep spouting their lectures with no actual interest in testing their view. Dunno why people bother

 

[StriderX]

Ignoring what he may have not done, the issue does not lie with him, but with a nation that idolises the man.

I don't mean to be racist when i say this, but Africans, are quite stubborn folk at times (kinda have to be to live in such a place), how will South Africa move on from this?

 

[Oxide™]

As a South African living in SA at the time...

I was only 10 years old on the day of his release in 1990 and I think every South African remembers exactly where they were that day.

I think at the time leading to his release - especially amongst the english speaking south africans (imho) - there was a consensus that apartheid was wrong and would one day come to an end (It had to!). There was genuine fear exactly how this transition would unfold. CRITICAL MASS!

It could have been a bloody Zimbabwean situation!

Nelson Mandela was the man to assist the transition and it occurred as peacefully as most could have hoped for.

Ok since the end of apartheid, South Africa still has it's problems but I'm sure in a few generations most of them will be overcome and Nelson would realise a true united and free South Africa.

I can't say I would even have been given the opportunity to move to England to better my life (at the time) if it wasn't for Nelson and for that I thank you from the bottom of mine and my families heart Madiba.

Forever walk free with your people

 

[leaskovski]

As a South African living in SA at the time...

I was only 10 years old on the day of his release in 1990 and I think every South African remembers exactly where they were that day.

I think at the time leading to his release - especially amongst the english speaking south africans (imho) - there was a consensus that apartheid was wrong and would one day come to an end (It had to!). There was genuine fear exactly how this transition would unfold. CRITICAL MASS!

It could have been a bloody Zimbabwean situation!

Nelson Mandela was the man to assist the transition and it occurred as peacefully as most could have hoped for.

Ok since the end of apartheid, South Africa still has it's problems but I'm sure in a few generations most of them will be overcome and Nelson would realise a true united and free South Africa.

I can't say I would even have been given the opportunity to move to England to better my life (at the time) if it wasn't for Nelson and for that I thank you from the bottom of mine and my families heart Madiba.

Forever walk free with your people

And I hope the thread ends like this, not arguement, not self gratification at being right, but as a figure that everyone can recognise as someone who has helped thin the line of difference between Nelson from the Eastend and Nelson from Africa.

 

[Dis86]

I only stick around in the hope that one day I will see someone post "Good counter argument, you have totally changed my view".

All people want to do is keep spouting their lectures with no actual interest in testing their view. Dunno why people bother

Happened to me! Think it was xordium that changed my opinion on something.