So you saw this creation, with your own two eyes? If you didn't, your own words say you cannot believe it, being told isn't evidence as far as your own words have told us....
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So you saw this creation, with your own two eyes? If you didn't, your own words say you cannot believe it, being told isn't evidence as far as your own words have told us....
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Here are those questions I asked nearly a year ago, but never got an answer:
I'd really like to hear your answers on each of these points.
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And checkmate.
I'm not bible expert but if you were a devoted Christian and wanted to not have this belief conflict with your understanding of the universe could Genesis not also be taken to be describing something vaguely similar to a big bang albeit in a rather abstract way:
'And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light...' etc...
The problem is that you don't seem to understand evolution:
It doesn't necessarily even conflict with mainstream religious beliefs...
Can you show your working please? Pretty much every biologist on the planet would be very interested.
That is a good step, but tbh... unless it actually results in real change then it doesn't amount to much. The current stance is indirectly causing serious damage in the world...
It will, take time, real change always does. As for the stance causing serious damage..if people actually followed the Pastoral Advice given then contraception would be immaterial as they wouldn't be having sex outside of marriage in the first place. Easy to blame the Catholic Church when it is really peoples choices that are the real issue here..Africa's issues are more to do with tribal and cultural indoctrination than anything the Catholic Church does. In any case contraception is widely available at Catholic Missions throughout Africa despite The Magisteriums position.
The stance does cause damage - that's the reality - the no sex out of marriage thing is completely unrealistic for a large portion of the world's population.
I'm sure it will take time - its an inherent flaw with an institution like that... the current pope either lacks leadership and moral courage, doesn't actually have the ability to exercise leadership and moral courage any time soon or perhaps doesn't want to make these changes.
I'm sure it will take time - its an inherent flaw with an institution like that... the current pope either lacks leadership and moral courage, doesn't actually have the ability to exercise leadership and moral courage any time soon or perhaps doesn't want to make these changes.
Well obviously in a secular society anything goes.
That might be true but it certainly conflicts with direct creation from the God of the Holy Bible.
i don't need to show you or anyone else my workings (whatever that is?) it's common sense that clearly shows that human beings do not arise from apes or ape-like creatures, anyone can assume it happened in the past but that doesn't mean it did happen in the past, in fact all the scientific method shows us is that it is impossible, it has never been observed.
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The point is that Pope Francis isn't saying anything new - it is just the way it is being reported by the mainstream media.
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That isn't actually what he said. Pope Francis was asked a specific question concerning a "gay lobby" in the Vatican. It was asked with reference to a senior priest who had been reported as being in a homosexual affair several years ago.
What he said was "If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?"
Translation : If a person is gay but strives to follow Church teaching then who am I to judge?
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Indeed, the Catholic Church (largest religion in the world by numbers) believes in Evolution.
Belief in Evolution is irrelevant to whether one believes in God or not.
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I would take a different view to yours - in fact mine would be diametrically opposed.
I reserve the opinion that I might be in error - do you?
I disagree...the stance is largely meaningless as the reality is that Catholic Missions hand out Condoms throughout Africa despite the stance of the Church. What causes damage is the refusal of people to use condoms (many african men feel it is an insult to their masculinity) (much like elsewhere in the world) and the way in which Tribal and Cultural attitudes toward women make it acceptable to effectively rape them pretty much without punishment.
Really!!!, he has been Pope for 5 minutes. Hardly seems reasonable to expect him to singlehandly change Church Doctrine overnight.
Which is what I said...your translation is actually your interpretation..which seems to ignore the actual position of the Pope and his Authority.
I have to agree with the other poster here. Actions speak louder than words, until doctrine is changed, you have to view everything Francis says as mere PR. Saying 'who am I to judge?' is not new or different. It's standard christian practice not to judge others. I haven't seen him say anything that suggests he believes homosexual acts are not wrong.