No idea. I havent a clue what Heaven looks like. Who knows what God allows to live there!
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No idea. I havent a clue what Heaven looks like. Who knows what God allows to live there!
This is high on my list of the many problems with Christian theology. Belief supersedes deeds.
What Christian theology is teaching people is that you can be a really crumby person in your life on this earth. You can lie, you can cheat, you can steal, you can even kill. However, as long as you believe, recant your sins before you die, you get eternal life in Heaven.This is an immoral concept.
Infinite punishment for a finite crime, seriously ? Lets grant that your god exists just for the sake of argument. To punish a person for using their god given brain to evaluate the probability of this gods existence and coming to the conclusion, no, and thus not believing in him, and so deserving of infinite torture, is abhorrent. If such a god exists then he is not morally superior to you or me. He is a capricious megalomaniac who only cares about subjugation and not about the content of a persons character.
I will not serve such a monster.
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Nobody knows what God decides when we die. I do believe that if someone is truly sorry for their mistakes during life, whatever they be, then God is in a position to forgive if he chooses so. Maybe in some circumstances he doesnt! Who knows for definite?
As i said before, enlightenment is there for everyone. If you choose not to believe then that is your given choice. God lets you make that choice. Does he punish those that choose that he does not exist? Maybe he doesnt? Maybe something else is decided for that individual.
Remember, i believe that God is an all loving God. I believe he created us all so i also believe that he actually 'wants' each and every one of us to choose him in their lives. He wants us to love him. He will not force that on us. It is only the churches on earth that try to 'Force' God on us!
Maybe because we are made in the image of God! I really dont know.
If god is as Christian theology states, Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnibenevolent then why is there evil in the world ?
Surely such a god could prevent evil, so why doesn't he ?
The only rational answer is that the 3 Omni god of Christian theology does not exist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
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Again, i couldnt answer that with authority as i am not as clever as some guys on here. My personal view is that again, God is giving people a choice of Good or evil. Why is evil here? Why does God allow it? I dont know to be honest. Is it a test of our faith? Could be i guess. Really couldnt say sorry
This is an interesting read though on the matter:
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/why-does-god-allow-sin-and-suffering
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I admire your honesty. I would encourage you to engage in scepticism and start asking questions about your faith. Ask for evidence for the things you believe.
Faith is the excuse people give when they have no good reason/s for their beliefs. Belief without evidence is naïve.
Personally, I care about what is true. As our beliefs influence our actions, I want to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible. Scepticism is where to start. Question your beliefs and look for evidence to support them. If evidence is not forthcoming then you should dismiss them.
Thanks, but, faith is not an excuse for me.To only believe if the evidence you would be looking for could be produced would mean a total 'lack' of faith on my behalf. As i have said many times, my love of God, my belief in God requires no scientific proofs or evidence. Proof that God is real is, for me, all around us! It is also in the 'Word' of God. These are my proofs and evidence. That is more than enough for me.
If your argument is what you see around you was created by God, then surely the absolutely next utterly valid question is, then what/who created God?
The moment you hiccup or circumvent that question - which of course you will, because you don't know the answer - then you have to ask yourself, why?
Why invent an unknown to answer another unknown? Simplify it... eg:-
Something -> God -> Everything
Something -> Everything
I fail to see a valid argument in suggesting a supernatural being is required simply because we don't understand something. It's been done countless times in the past, and has been repeatedly shown to be the incorrect assumption. What makes your reason(s) any more valid?
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If we knew 'who' God was then maybe that question could be answered. It is beyond my human intellect to give an answer to that question!
Answered your own question in the same paragraph...
Though if you actually read the bible, you realise he is not forgiving at all.
2 821 364 - The number of accountable folk in the bible that God slaughters - this doesn't include numbers for events such as the great flood and similar because no numbers are mentioned (estimated 25 million).
Satan only just hits double figures; small-fry in comparison.
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He is a loving God, though!
He loves you and he needs money! He's all-powerful, all-knowing, all-wise, somehow just can't handle money.
Carlin classic, had to throw that in.
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Care to show me what scripture says that we are going to heaven? And explain what's the point in Earth?
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has anyone ever wondered that the god we think we know, could actually be the devil.
The second coming, enlightenment, could be our realisation that 'satan' the devil etc etc is actually the all loving one which brings true peace and happiness
You can only go to heaven if you believe in me....that doesn't sound like the kinda thing I want to worship
The second coming, enlightenment, could be our realisation that 'satan' the devil etc etc is actually the all loving one which brings true peace and happiness
You can only go to heaven if you believe in me....that doesn't sound like the kinda thing I want to worship
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He loves you and he needs money! He's all-powerful, all-knowing, all-wise, somehow just can't handle money.
Carlin classic, had to throw that in.
It's all the cocaine and hookers. They can get quite expensive.