Mk1 MX5, general advice and what to look out for?

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Hi all,

I'm looking at buying a MX5, just wondering what to look out for as these are getting on a bit now.

The problem areas I've found so far are:
  • Sills
  • Rear arches
  • General engine wear and tear, but not sure if there's anything specific
  • Damp in interior/boot (possibly indicating rusty floor?)
  • Soft top condition, although I'll be putting a hard top on it so not too bothered about this unless it's been leaking

Anything I've missed, or any other tips for a potential MX5 owner?

Thanks,
Nathan
 
Hi all,

I'm looking at buying a MX5, just wondering what to look out for as these are getting on a bit now.

The problem areas I've found so far are:
  • Sills
  • Rear arches
  • General engine wear and tear, but not sure if there's anything specific
  • Damp in interior/boot (possibly indicating rusty floor?)
  • Soft top condition, although I'll be putting a hard top on it so not too bothered about this unless it's been leaking

Anything I've missed, or any other tips for a potential MX5 owner?

Thanks,
Nathan

Hello there

I have the MK2.5 MX5 but I'll try to answer your question as best I can. You've already covered the main areas in your opening post:

  • Sills - Usually caused by the drain holes becoming blocked. Spend 5 minutes clearing the drains with a wire curtain rail or coat hanger and that should resolve the issue.
  • Rear Arches - Probably the biggest killer of all MK1 & MK2 MX5's. Check for rust and remember these rust from the inside out so if you can see it then it's probably quite bad already. I've read reports from others on line it's around £500.00 a side to get these repaired. :eek:
  • Engine - On the MK1 I believe the cam cover gasket can start to leak oil. Also they can sound tappety for the first few mins after start up. If it continues then an oil change maybe required.
  • Dampness - Again check the rain rail channels!
  • Soft Top - They're pretty much fool proof though the header rail catches can sometimes wear losing their latching. These also have tensioners built in. Also check for the obvious signs of wear and tear and any tears or rips in the fabric. A hardtop is a good idea for the winter but the whole point of the MX5 is as a convertible. I've seen me finishing working and driving home with the roof down in minus temperature - as long as the heater is on full blast and the heated seats are on it's all good. :D
 
I have a MK1. The MK2 is the same underneath but the main killer is the crumple zones it has, which if they start to rot are terminal. The MK2 has a nicer cabin and more powerful engines, but for me the MK1 with popup lights was the original I wanted. MK1 and MK2 hard tops are the same and fit both cars. Many parts can be interchanged between them.

MK1 MX5...
Rust - Sills rot from inside out. If you see them bubbling, they are rotten to hell on the inside. Also watch out for bodged sill repairs as some garages weld a plate over them, then paint black to try to hide it. As the plate is welded over the drain holes it will rot extra fast on the inside. The drain holes are two little holes on the jacking rail at either end of the sill (2 front, 2 rear on each side of the car) - Rod these out with a paperclip...if water comes out then there was been water sat in there for ages rotting the insides of the sill away.

Paint - The mx5 was one of the earlier cars to use water based paint. It is soft and you should expect paint defects. This is fine, just avoid rusty ones.

Import vs. UK - Imports have far less history and more bodywork repairs. UK ones are far more rusty. Buy based on rust. Have I mentioned rust enough yet? :p. Early UK ones have no middle brake light in the boot lid. Even if it is present it probably does not work as the cable fatigues where the boot lid closes overtime. An easy fix with a soldering iron and some new cable! Whether you get a UK or a Jap one they all came from the same factory in Japan. The Japs are quite snobby with trim levels and all tend to have power steering, leccy windows and A/C.

Import vs. UK insurance - Imports are often more to insure by £100, but for some people it makes no difference.

Roof - Check it is in OK nick but a new one fitted is only <£250. I have a hard top as I am tall and get a cold head with the roof down. I rarely take the hard top off.

Engine - Completely bombproof. They are a turbo engine without the turbo and are very strong. When cold (especially when sat for a few weeks) the engine has a tappet noise but that goes away in 5-10mins max. The rocker cover gasket leaks but is a £20 <60min fix. The Cam Angle Sensor (CAS) nearly always leaks - A <£2 10 min fix. I helped a friend with buy an mx5 from a moron. I used the minor oil leak on the CAS to knock money off. You cannot see the cambelt, so if there is no proof of it being done, assume it hasn't. If it snaps though there is no damage done as the valves won't hit the piston - You just break down. A new engine is worth £150 tops so don't worry about them - They are cheap because they rarely break.

Engine power - The 1989-1993 1.6 is 115hp and is a raw rev hungry engine. The 1.8 is more a refined and torquey 130hp but is not much quicker as it is heavier. Pick whichever you please as both are good. Avoid post 1994 1.6 as they were a weedy 90hp.

Exhaust - ANY UK model with decat is an MOT failure as of July 2012. Any <1995 import is ok. Many cars are decatted and are WILL pose you MOT problems.

Hood drain tubes - On the underside of the car near the rear sill holes are plastic drain tubes. These start behind the seatbelt tower and result in a wet seat if they block. Run a coathanger down them (carefully as there is a flap on the end!) to clear them out. Only negative is you get a wet seat as the blocked tube floods.

Safety - Early ones have no ABS or airbag, but the car is pretty dire in general in a crash.

Extras - Leccy mirrors and an electrically extending aerial are nice, but are by no means essential. The A/C adds weight and never works as the seals are all shagged. Power steering is nice. Watch out for leccy windows as they often don't work or get stuck mid travel, but are easy to fix as the runners are just full of 20+ years of crud - A simple summer's evening fix with some £5 grease and white spirit. The 1.8 has a better diff (option I think?) than the 1.6 by far.

Gearshift notchy and/or hot transmission tunnel when car warmed up - Buggered seals. A full kit for the gearstick can be had for <£50 to make it nice again. Very common fault but only affects smoothness of the stick!

Stereo - There are peanuts to buy so ignore the stereo tbh. Jap cars have the all-in-one 'tombstone' style seats with headrest speakers - The speakers will be blown but I replaced mine with JVC ones which made a lot of difference. (Side note: Many bolsters on the driver's side are worn. I removed the covers and have them a wash to remove 20 years worth of dirt, got the mother to fix the bolster and put the seat back together - Looks good!).

Tax - All are the old system maximum tax bracket - £230 ish.

MPG - Both 1.6 and 1.8 overfuel to ensure the engine does not knock (no knock sensor on the MK1) and expect 25-30mpg.

Tyres - Blackcircles fitted midrange Dunlops on mine all round for £220. Cheap and cheerful. If you have OEM 15" alloys this can be even cheaper.

Headlights - The popup mechanism almost never breaks and as such they are very cheap second hand. Certainly nothing to worry about.

I am an engineer (yes a real one!) by profession, but am pretty poor hands-on. I have done loads of my jobs on my mx5! If you break something, who cares when the part is a fiver from the Nutz forum!
Now is the perfect time of year to get an MX5 as they at their lowest cost. I bet Jan will be even better when everyone's Xmas credit card bills have arrived!
 
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Thanks Sonea, being able to have the roof down is kind of appealing, but I'm 6'2 and apparently the hard top gives more head room (it's one of a few mods I'm planning to make sure I actually fit in the car lol).

Edit: wrote that before you posted OpenToSuggestions, can I ask how tall you are, and what headroom is like?

Good to hear about the engine, part of the reason for getting this is to teach myself how to spanner, so having something easy and cheap to work on is great.
 
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Thanks Sonea, being able to have the roof down is kind of appealing, but I'm 6'2 and apparently the hard top gives more head room (it's one of a few mods I'm planning to make sure I actually fit in the car lol).

Edit: wrote that before you posted OpenToSuggestions, can I ask how tall you are, and what headroom is like?

Good to hear about the engine, part of the reason for getting this is to teach myself how to spanner, so having something easy and cheap to work on is great.

Sorry I am modifying my post a lot!

I am 6ft 3 and tubby.
I have not removed foam from the seat (Google: 'foamectomy') but found removing the sun visors made a world of difference.
My head almost touched the frame from the soft top, but a hard top gives a smidge more headroom. If you have a stupid wind deflector, remove it so your seat can go all the way back for that extra few mm!
 
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Thanks Sonea, being able to have the roof down is kind of appealing, but I'm 6'2 and apparently the hard top gives more head room (it's one of a few mods I'm planning to make sure I actually fit in the car lol).

Edit: wrote that before you posted OpenToSuggestions, can I ask how tall you are, and what headroom is like?

I'm errrrr *coughs* 5 foot 7" *coughs* and have no issues at all with headroom:o :p

Seriously though I couldn't comment on the hardtop as I haven't got one fitted to mine.

Good to hear about the engine, part of the reason for getting this is to teach myself how to spanner, so having something easy and cheap to work on is great.

I honestly don't think you'll have any issue at all with the engine. :)


I am an engineer (yes a real one!) by profession, but am pretty poor hands-on. I have done loads of my jobs on my mx5! If you break something, who cares when the part is a fiver from the Nutz forum!

Listen to this guy - no offence or sarcasm meant. But it's quite true if you do break anything then you're not exactly going to need a re mortgage to get it fixed dude. :)
 
Thanks for the info, I'm getting really hyped to get one now lol :D. Can't until after christmas though, although as you say might get a good deal in January. A friend had one a couple years back when there was heavy snow, was great fun! At least it was until he drifted it into a curb and fubared the suspension...

How much do you think it would cost to get a fairly decent one? Bearing in mind I'm not too concerned about roof, suspension (will be getting HSDs down the line), or wheels (saw one on Nutz with E30 BBS, looked awesome considering how cheap they are)? I've budgeted £1000 for a standard one, but am fairly flexible depending on spec.
 
Awesome :D

I'm surprised how few major problems there are to look out for with these, been reading a few forums and getting the impression Mazda built them like tanks :D
 
saw one on Nutz with E30 BBS, looked awesome considering how cheap they are

I suspect it was on MX5 BBS wheels and not E30 BBS wheels...I say this as I put my E30's wheels on -westy-'s mk1 MX5 and ideally it needed spigot rings...it also needed a lower profile tyre. There is an MX5 on MX5 BBS wheels just up the road from me and the spokes are slightly curved (centre to rim) whereas the E30 ones are straight.

You can see what I mean about the E30 spokes being straight in pic 2.


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I think your right, although that MX5 looks nice :).

Also what are peoples thoughts on buying a car with repaired sills? If its been repaired properly, rather than just having a plate welded over the rotten bit, would it last?
 
Also what are peoples thoughts on buying a car with repaired sills? If its been repaired properly, rather than just having a plate welded over the rotten bit, would it last?

Unless you find really rare rust free one, most will either have had a sill repair or will need one. The rust is usually hidden away so get poking at them to see how solid the steel is around sills/arches. (do what Bernie Fineman does and jab a screw driver into it with the owner watching in horror :P)
 
The only thing to really look out for is corrosion.

Don't buy one without power steering.

Don't buy a 90bhp 1.6.

If the engine rattles ("tappety") when cold it probably just wants fresh, perhaps slightly thinner oil. It shouldn't and doesn't need to rattle for more than a second or two.

If you buy an early 1.6 with a short nose crank pulley then make sure it doesn't wobble because it's a sign that a cam belt change has been done improperly, and the bolt hasn't been tightened properly, which wears away at the keyway on the crank shaft. AFAIK you don't actually need to remove the bolt in order to change the cam belt.


Finally, you don't need to spend a fortune on a mint condition one or a fortune on further modifications to have a tonne of fun driving it, but these things are nice.
 
Thanks for the info, I'm getting really hyped to get one now lol :D. Can't until after christmas though, although as you say might get a good deal in January. A friend had one a couple years back when there was heavy snow, was great fun! At least it was until he drifted it into a curb and fubared the suspension...

How much do you think it would cost to get a fairly decent one? Bearing in mind I'm not too concerned about roof, suspension (will be getting HSDs down the line), or wheels (saw one on Nutz with E30 BBS, looked awesome considering how cheap they are)? I've budgeted £1000 for a standard one, but am fairly flexible depending on spec.

I have mine on E30 BBS wheels, no problem with them. Don't even need spigot rings as the wheel centres when you bolt it up.

Pretty much all problems have been covered I think, they are generally pretty reliable and if anything does break they are easy to sort out.
 
I have mine on E30 BBS wheels, no problem with them. Don't even need spigot rings as the wheel centres when you bolt it up.

Sensible to use them to avoid ant complications though. Ive seen more on 'proper' BBS wheels than I have on E30 ones though for sure.
This does open up the market I can flog my spare set of 4 e30 wheels to though.
 
Sensible to use them to avoid ant complications though. Ive seen more on 'proper' BBS wheels than I have on E30 ones though for sure.
This does open up the market I can flog my spare set of 4 e30 wheels to though.

I thought about them but it's a hard to find size and I don't fancy paying a for a bespoke set....doesn't wobble which is good enough for me :p
 
If you buy an early 1.6 with a short nose crank pulley then make sure it doesn't wobble because it's a sign that a cam belt change has been done improperly, and the bolt hasn't been tightened properly, which wears away at the keyway on the crank shaft.

Good point. I think the pulley has a different number of holes in to allow for easy identification. I am guessing here but think only the earliest year or so of production was affected.
 
Any reason not to buy one without power steering? My old car didn't have it and it never bothered me tbh.
 
Any reason not to buy one without power steering? My old car didn't have it and it never bothered me tbh.

I had a mk1 without power steering, it was fine. Just a bit heavy when stationary but then you shouldn't be steering much then anyway.

I had my mk1 for 6 years, loved it. Never should have got rid and I keep looking to buy another. I replaced it with a mk3.5 and never got along with it in the same way.

Most of the common problems have been covered - it's all about the rust now and mk2s seem to be worse off than mk1s. The rest of the car is pretty bulletproof and very cheap to fix. Even if the cambelt snaps the engine is non-interference (mk1 non-VVT) so replace it and you're back on the road.

My mk1 had patchy service history and I took it on a quite a few track days and never had an issue!
 
I think your right, although that MX5 looks nice :).

Also what are peoples thoughts on buying a car with repaired sills? If its been repaired properly, rather than just having a plate welded over the rotten bit, would it last?

If the sills have been repaired correctly then you really should have no issues for a good few years. :)

Finally, you don't need to spend a fortune on a mint condition one or a fortune on further modifications to have a tonne of fun driving it, but these things are nice.

Quoted for the truth - you don't need to spend a huge amount to give you a grin inducing drive after a crappy shift at work. When I made my purchase my budget allowed me either tatty Mk3 or a tidy Mk2.5 - I never even looked at the MK1's (even though I do love the pop up headlamps) my number plate wouldn't go on one. :(

Any reason not to buy one without power steering? My old car didn't have it and it never bothered me tbh.

My MK1 MR2 didn't have any power steering and it never bothered me either. Drive both and see what you think?

Any excuse to pimp a shot of my motor: :p

 
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