Someone should make rads with integrated pumps & res

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Perfect_Chaos

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I know today everyone is releasing AIO coolers with pump attached to the waterblock, but why hasn't anyone other than Swiftech made a kit with the pump built into a good rad with reservoir?

The issue with it is vibration & extra mounted noise. There must be a way to do it and also silence it at the same time? It's potentially better, since anyone could just swap out the main waterblock when better ones come out, and keeps the rest all compact and simple over a normal loop.
 
If i had a expandable AIO, i would much more likely replace the radiator with a bigger one than change the blocks.

The problem with AIOs is that they compete in a different price bracket to custom coolers. If there was more AIO like Fathoms coolers, which use better rads and better blocks and can achieve closer to custom performance, more people would be willing to take the leap to proper WCing after having one. My main issue with expandable AIOs is that they have fairly poor pumps which not only can sometimes be unreliable but often are the biggest limiting factor to adding more blocks.

I think AIOs are a great innovation but there is definitely an achievable performance bracket which is barely being filled by our current range and that better quality AIOs have the potential to really help the watercooling community develop more.
 
CoolHotCold said:
Can you not just strap a pump+res combo onto the side of the rad? So long as you're mounting the Rad vertically, problem solved.
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That wouldn't eliminate the vibration noise issues though i guess, plus there would still be extra potential leak points doing it that way. Though it would make it more compact.
 
Something Else said:
Yes.

Also op I think they do make them already.

Antec released a new cooler that has the pump as part of the fan assembly.

It looks horrific however and is not expandable
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The 1250? it actually looks pretty decent - the photos don't really represent it well. (Though it will be a bit hit and miss if it matches the style of the case internals if your going for aesthetics).
 
I imagine with an expandable AIO like you suggest the rad/pump would be the more expensive parts of the kit. On that basis combining them increases the cost of repairs.

As well as most AIO being used in cases that arent designed to support full loops the rad space is a limiting factor. Adding a pump/res would either remove from the size of rad (less cooling) or increase the length of the rad/pump hybrid (wont fit in smaller cases).

Other than that only way I could think of reducing vibration would be some form of rubber screws.
 
Mynight said:
I imagine with an expandable AIO like you suggest the rad/pump would be the more expensive parts of the kit. On that basis combining them increases the cost of repairs.

As well as most AIO being used in cases that arent designed to support full loops the rad space is a limiting factor. Adding a pump/res would either remove from the size of rad (less cooling) or increase the length of the rad/pump hybrid (wont fit in smaller cases).

Other than that only way I could think of reducing vibration would be some form of rubber screws.
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A custom loop is obviously the easy route, i would much prefer a simple 2-3 way loop though, from rad to cpu and potentially later the gpu. Fully custom means hosing all over the case, though a D5 pump on setting 1 would take care of the noise most likely.

Too bad there aint anything that fills the gap of being simple, easy to maintain and without the noise. Quiet fan noise of Scythe GT's are nice, but it's always the pump that causes most noise over everything else and it spoils most of the AIO and expandable kits, in my opinion anyway.

I guess due to the way the pump is mounted there is no getting away from the noise unless it's completely separated.
 
Nickolp1974 said:
Aqua computer make a rad with a built in pump,
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Haven't seen that one before, it's quite a lump. Looks like it wouldn't fit inside any cases with the pump on.

Have to wonder what the noise is like on it with the pump again being bolted straight onto the radiator, nothing between it and the rad to prevent additional noise. Quite expensive too if compared with regular XSPC kits :(
 
well, thats why they keep everything seperate as a rule, most cases only JUST accommodate the rad that is meant to go into the slot (i.e a 360 rad, only just fits a slot for 3 120mm fans, obviously)

so adding a pump and a rez will add unnecessary bulk...
what would be better, imo, would be cases with built in rads, pumps and rez's!
 
Tbh I dont like AIO's.
If one thing fails, everything does and you have to replace not 1 but 3 parts.
Custom loop ftw.
And if you are reall concerned about the noise, use dampened case and oversized external rads which can be used as passive, like Phobya 720/1080/1260.
 
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Im about to buy a Swiftech H320, i was looking at a full custom loop, but i cant afford to buy the loop all in one hit, however the H320 is a brilliant option, it starts its life as a 360 Rad AIO, then you can expand it to add a res and a 240 and a gpu block.

Win win imo, sure its probably not as good as a full custom EK or XSPC loop, but its a good point to start from to get familiar with the basics of water cooling.

Will post pics once i get mine ordered and setup.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Im about to buy a Swiftech H320, i was looking at a full custom loop, but i cant afford to buy the loop all in one hit, however the H320 is a brilliant option, it starts its life as a 360 Rad AIO, then you can expand it to add a res and a 240 and a gpu block.

Win win imo, sure its probably not as good as a full custom EK or XSPC loop, but its a good point to start from to get familiar with the basics of water cooling.

Will post pics once i get mine ordered and setup.
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The one with the pump built into the waterblock? The issue with these units is the pump isn't dampened in any way, i still have their original Drive radiator with pump in the rad (non pwm adjustable) and because it's just hard mounted on there it creates more noise and vibration.

From reviews i've read that take note of noise generally the pumps are best set at their lowest rpm possible, i believe the pump on mine is running 3800rpm and it is a lot louder over 3 scythe GT fans @ 1150rpm, can barely hear those fans running at all and they have a nice noise to them unlike the pump.
 
Anyone know the model or specs of the pumps they use in different AIOs?

I have heard of some AIO pumps giving up after expanding them to take a few more blocks. Though, i suppose we hear about AIOs failing when they are not expanded (looking at you corsair hxxi series).
 
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