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To be honest if that is all that happens then that is a lot better then what I was reading about a few weeks ago ... It was looking like basically everything was going to get banned except for pre-made by tobacco companies ... Like this one for example ... https://vusevapor.com/modules/Security/Login.aspx (made by the owners of Camel tobacco) ...

I hope they have realised that doing this is totally corrupt / not acceptable and if they have reduced it to 20mg/ml max and 10ml bottles, that is really not too bad compared to what was proposed a few weeks ago (which was completely banning all refillable tanks, all liquids etc.) ...

What grinds my gears is that there is no logic or scientific reasoning given for those specific limitations. Why not stick to the 4mg/ml limit which was proposed earlier in the year if they are going to restrict us? Why 10ml containers? "This is Madness!"
 
As for disposable drippers - look into Boge cartomisers. They can be used on their own (be sure they're not" pre-punched") or in a Carto Tank (in which case, buy pre-punched or get your own carto hole punch)

A cartomiser for dripping? O.k. :confused:

*Edit. I've heard of and modded old ones myself in the past wi varying results though nothing as solid a vape as from a specific atty. IKV 510's I remember being excellent too, I remember some expensive one too, the H517? I believe an iGo would probably be the best economic dripping option myself; though once more the vape from an io6 was excellent and up there with my best experiences vaping. Only trouble with all the disposables is price and variables in their performance. a lot would die for no reason or leak e.t.c.
The above are all top feeding atties, there is always squonking. :D
Still if it is a disposable top feeding dripper you are after Merlin, I would say an io6, a cisco 306 or a LR from Ikenvape.
 
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A cartomiser for dripping? O.k. :confused:

*Edit. I've heard of and modded old ones myself in the past wi varying results though nothing as solid a vape as from a specific atty. IKV 510's I remember being excellent too, I remember some expensive one too, the H517? I believe an iGo would probably be the best economic dripping option myself; though once more the vape from an io6 was excellent and up there with my best experiences vaping. Only trouble with all the disposables is price and variables in their performance. a lot would die for no reason or leak e.t.c.
The above are all top feeding atties, there is always squonking. :D
Still if it is a disposable top feeding dripper you are after Merlin, I would say an io6, a cisco 306 or a LR from Ikenvape.

Baring in mind I've yet to see a "disposable dripper", my recommendation was for the closest, consumable equivalent - which turned out to be a "decent" cartomiser.

I'd also neglected to mention them as an option in my longwinded post previous - purely because I didn't get on with the filling process, rather than any poor performance in flavour or vapour production...
 
What grinds my gears is that there is no logic or scientific reasoning given for those specific limitations. Why not stick to the 4mg/ml limit which was proposed earlier in the year if they are going to restrict us? Why 10ml containers? "This is Madness!"

I have no problem at all if they want to actually do something useful such as test all the common flavours and find which are safe for vaping, or ensure that all PG / PG / Nicotine is pharmaceutical grade and that the devices are safe to use.... But nothing they have proposed is any use to anyone, as you said there is no logic to it. Ah well the current situation looks a lot better than it did a month ago anyway.
 
I have no problem at all if they want to actually do something useful such as test all the common flavours and find which are safe for vaping, or ensure that all PG / PG / Nicotine is pharmaceutical grade and that the devices are safe to use.... But nothing they have proposed is any use to anyone, as you said there is no logic to it. Ah well the current situation looks a lot better than it did a month ago anyway.

My logic is some of them are in the pay of pharma and / or tobacco. They are also worried about loss of tax from cigs and likely have large amounts of money in tobacco hedge funds. The rest just don't understand what is happening and voting like they are told. About a year ago when this all first appeared I thought it would be good, some rules like what you have said could be good. Instead they have killed anything but crap because of the high costs to bring a new product to market.

Edit: To be fair they can't really enforce anything but the rules on nicotine. I'm stocking up but can't buy a lifetimes supply.
 
My logic is some of them are in the pay of pharma and / or tobacco. They are also worried about loss of tax from cigs and likely have large amounts of money in tobacco hedge funds. The rest just don't understand what is happening and voting like they are told. About a year ago when this all first appeared I thought it would be good, some rules like what you have said could be good. Instead they have killed anything but crap because of the high costs to bring a new product to market.

Yes that is what I think, they want to tax it like tobacco so they can get the 80% tobacco tax, because 2% of the UK governments total income is from tobacco tax... also I think the big tobacco companies do not want to lose the market. Really they should just accept the competition and release their own products as well, instead of trying to get the whole market to themselves.

But it seems that the EU might have realised how obviously corrupt and unfair it would be to completely ban them and are now making it a bit less severe. Also they can't actually ban any of it really, tanks, batteries, pg vg, flavourings etc. except for nicotine.
 
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I've had a response from Richard Marbrow (who seems to be replying for Chris Davies). Thought I'd share it here:

Hi Dawn,

Thanks for your email. I’ll pass your comments on to Chris but just wanted to clarify a few things.

Firstly on the issue of nicotine concentration. There are two issues here, one is the concentration of the fluid in the e-cigarette and the other is the total quantity of fluid allowed. As a concentration of 20mg per ml is allowed and a total of 2ml per e cigarette there will be 40mg in total of nicotine in an e-cigarette. The concentration limit may mean taking longer puffs and it may mean refilling more often but for the overwhelming majority of e-cig users there should be a way to vape that they will find acceptable. Many studies have shown that the concentration of nicotine in the mouth is heavily dependent on the heating unit. The issue of child proof caps shows that you are being responsible, but not all manufacturers or users will be so this is enforcement of a condition you already abide by and will therefore make no difference to you.

Your point on bottle size is interesting. You can buy 200 cigarettes but they will come in packets of 20. You can buy 100ml of fluid but it will come in bottles of 10ml. Both get the same treatment. This is a safety issue to do with the fact that nicotine in large quantities is significantly more harmful to children than adults.

Chris’s comments about the internet are about the ability to buy what is legal in one EU country in another.

If e-cigarettes had been taken out of the TPD Chris had a concern that national governments (including the UK) would simply take steps to regulate e-cigs even more. While this is still possible it is now much more difficult. It is still possible that the vote may go against the TPD (although unlikely) at which point UK pharmaceutical legislation will likely apply. This is why Chris refers to it being a glass half full rather than half empty.

I hope this helps clarify a few things and I will pass your comments to Chris as he considers which way he will vote on the final TPD legislation.

Kind Regards

Richard Marbrow | Campaigns and Communications Officer for Chris Davies MEP

More details on e-cigs

Dear vaper,

EU governments have now approved the deal on e-cigs finally negotiated by MEPs on Monday night.

The final details of the text, as cleaned up by the lawyers and translators, is not yet available. We are still working off the rough copies. However although some vapers recognise that this is definitely a glass half full some people still see it only as a glass half empty, or worse.

Let's remember where we started.

The European Commission wanted all e-cigs to be classified as pharmaceutical products, potentially restricting their availability and certainly increasing the costs to manufacturers.

It proposed a maximum nicotine content of 4mg, severe restrictions on flavourings and a ban on refillables.

This was supported by virtually every Government in Europe.

It was supported by the Parliament's rapporteur Linda McAvan, and by the shadow rapporteur for the largest group in Parliament.

And instead, what have we ended up with?

A maximum nicotine concentration of 20mg/ml
Maximum total nicotine in an ecig of 40mg
Refillables still allowed with a review in 2 years time
Flavourings left up to individual countries
No compulsory medicines regulation
We never get all that we want when we make compromises, but what has been achieved is remarkable.

I want to pay credit to Linda McAvan MEP, who accepted that Parliament voted against the position she first endorsed and led the negotiations fairly on that basis.

But most of all I want to thank my Belgian Liberal colleague, Frederique Ries MEP, who led for my group. She was, and is, absolutely adamant about the benefits of e-cigs and was (and still is) determined to try and curb restrictions on their availability and type.

Her efforts played a key role in securing a majority vote in the European Parliament against the Commission's proposals. During the subsequent negotiations her obstinancy was crucial to preventing the acceptance of a lesser deal. She held on to the last second, and even then refused to endorse the late-night agreement.

I know that she is not at all happy. She wanted an absolute win and doesn't want to hear that compromises are not based on absolutes. Having taken part in many negotiations of a similar kind over the years I think she did a marvellous job.

If you want to send her thanks her email address is [email protected]

She deserves them.


Chris Davies MEP

Liberal Democrat Environment spokesman
 
How the hell do they think they can limit the tank size depending on how strong the liquid is?

20ml max nic, 40ml max per tank. What if I am using 12ml nic? Surely I can use a 3ml+ tank?

It is totally unenforcable and will purchasing larger tanks from overseas suddenly become illegal? How would they ever monitor it?
 
How the hell do they think they can limit the tank size depending on how strong the liquid is?

20ml max nic, 40ml max per tank. What if I am using 12ml nic? Surely I can use a 3ml+ tank?

It is totally unenforcable and will purchasing larger tanks from overseas suddenly become illegal? How would they ever monitor it?

I think they are talking about cartomisers, and bottles can only be 10ml.... But yes I agree it is completely pointless.
 
It is totally unenforcable and will purchasing larger tanks from overseas suddenly become illegal? How would they ever monitor it?

Considering you can pick up a bong pretty easily from most town centres, it does seem rather ridiculous. I suppose they'd go after the manufacturers of any tanks larger than 2ml if they're inside the EU, but I doubt they'd be able to stop many (or any) from China getting through.

I guess now is probably the time to stock up on nicotine, PG and VG..
 
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Considering you can pick up a bong pretty easily from most town centres, it does seem rather ridiculous. I suppose they'd go after the manufacturers of any tanks larger than 2ml if they're inside the EU, but I doubt they'd be able to stop many (or any) from China getting through.

I guess now is probably the time to stock up on nicotine, PG and VG..

Only thing I can see any potential issues with would be the nicotine base liquid, everything else will be easy to get. it does seem extremely silly that you will be limited to 2ml / 20mg tanks / 10ml bottles but you can go and buy a fat 500ml bottle of 72mg/ml nicotine base liquid.... I think this e-cigarette thing is a larger issue than just e-cigarettes... Whatever decisions the governments make on this is making a pretty big statement about fundamental issues such as peoples freedom and also the amount of control that big corporations have over smaller businesses, I think the EU will need to be very careful about what they do.
 
Need help!

I have run out of liquid, the delivery isn't coming until tomorrow and I have just ran out!

Does anyone know a place near Guildford, Surrey that sells e-liq. I'm verging on desperate.

Josh
 
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@Edit. At merlin, I guess you mean a disposable not rebuildable dripper? Not used a disposable for years now, I just drip onto the coil of a rebuildable for testing. The dilemma of squirting semi used juice back into the bottle, I always decline and simply clean. I use plain hot water and flush through the fill hole until clear, shake as much as I can out and dry the wick with a kitchen towel; then dry burn the coil and wick once giving everything a good glow for a second or two.(Using an SS mesh wick that is.)
I am doubtful of your bigger hit theory from dripping.
When I was using chinese or disposable atomisers I liked the io6's, if that's what they are called now.

Thanks jmc. Ah well, I'm not too fussed about dripping then, sounds like it might be a bit convoluted and perhaps not worth the effort for now.

Btw, I'm enjoying the novelty of using the EVOD, love the crackling sound it makes when I press the button just before I draw. :) Haven't had a roll up since tuesday night and hopefully will remain that way. Started vaping this machine yesterday afternoon, and tank is showing just over half used of a 1.5ml tank, so I guess I'm not going to be a heavy vaper.
 
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Check this map for anything close to you, it should be upto date Brick and mortar vape shop map

Looking at the map, theres one in Farnborough which appears to be close www.sweetcloud.co.uk

This was brilliant thanks, just down the road, a huge selection and very helpful staff.

Ta very much for your help - panic stations averted!

Harvest Energy Petrol Station | NISA Local
45 Woodbridge Road, Guildford, Surrey, GU1 4RN. Tel (01483) 504603

http://www.ecigmods.co.uk/contact-us.htm

Good to know thanks bud!
 
Hmm on Fastech they have a lot of RBA's... Some clones and some authentic ones, can anyone tell me what would be the best RBA to get and if it would be a significant improvement from a protank 2? There is Kayfun 3.1 clone, Authentic RSST etc.

Thinking I might get a Itaste SVD, nitecore charger and one of the RBA's... But I don't know which is the best? I have some Kanthal 0.2mm and some 1.5 and 2mm ekowool... Will these work with the RBA's?

They are just so shiny and smooth looking I don't think I can resist much longer :) Would a Itaste SVD and a RBA be a significant improvement over a Vision spinner 1300 + protank 2? Obviously they are better for other reasons but the quality of the flavour / vape?
 
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