Why should we accept and accommodate people being fat?

He made the point to me. I'm an engineer and work in management for an offshore oil and gas company. That answer your question?

Well it wasn't my question but if you like, are you also at the peak of physical fitness? And are all your family and friends as healthy as they can be and all very successful? If not, they're just lazy and stupid, right?

In response to Ricky.. :D


There will be some unfortunate people who do have mental issues which make them eat more (comfort, self hatred etc), or medical issues like Castiel had where he was putting weight on even on a very restricted diet but as mentioned this does not support the increasing levels of obesity prevalent the world over. These issues have always existed and always will exist in about the same levels of a population in terms of %age.
People can make the effort to lose the weight that more sedentiary lifestyles and more easily available foods provide but well...they don't because it takes time and effort. It's not because they were touched by their uncle or the kids made fun of their glasses, it's because they just don't want to get off the couch and move away from the TV. It's because they want to park right outside their front door and not 50m up the road. It's because a pizza can be pulled out of the box, bunged in the over and be ready in 15 mins whereas a good stew takes 30 mins of prep and hours to cook.
It is human nature to want to receive something with the minimum amount of effort required. Infact that is true of all life. Living organisms generally do not expend energy when they do not need to.

Just saw this post, surely you have to ask yourself why it is that some people can motivate themselves to make the effort but others can't? Do you not think obese people would like to have the drive to sort themselves out?
 
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Well said. We all know people who are overweight/fat/obese and do we treat them differently or just 'hate' those fat people we don't know?
Lets all start wearing black uniforms and marching round to loud rousing tunes.
 
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Well it wasn't my question but if you like, are you also at the peak of physical fitness? And are all your family and friends as healthy as they can be and all very successful? If not, they're just lazy and stupid, right?

If you read my posts earlier I point out that yes my family are lazy and this is why they are fat.

Many of them do the jobs they do because they love that job. Others have reached the limit of their ability and will progress no further.

Also for you record I am very fit. I cycle on a regular basis, infact for the days where the weather is crummy I have a turbo set up in my conservatory. Every weekend I hill walk or climb. Again I will repeat it, this is because I am required to eat more than normal and so need to burn off the excess calories.
 
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I travel on the tube every day in London and I guarantee you 100% of fellow commuters find people with body odour worse that fat people :)

You'll find that many of those fat people have body odour. Damn difficult to wash under all the rolls.
 
You can ban cigarettes.

You can ban alcohol.

You can't ban food.

I'd also like to see people who injure themselves doing sports, cycling, running or any activities outside of the house charged for their treatment, or perhaps made to buy insurance should the worst happen.

People make their own choices, overeating might lead to diabetes and health conditions but it also may not. Riding a motorcycle may cause serious injury or disability, it also may not.
 
I'd also like to see people who injure themselves doing sports, cycling, running or any activities outside of the house charged for their treatment, or perhaps made to buy insurance should the worst happen. People make their own choices, overeating might lead to diabetes and health conditions but it also may not. Riding a motorcycle may cause serious injury or disability, it also may not.

Car accidents too ! People don't need cars, it's just laziness :cool:
 
If you read my posts earlier I point out that yes my family are lazy and this is why they are fat.

Many of them do the jobs they do because they love that job. Others have reached the limit of their ability and will progress no further.

Also for you record I am very fit. I cycle on a regular basis, infact for the days where the weather is crummy I have a turbo set up in my conservatory. Every weekend I hill walk or climb. Again I will repeat it, this is because I am required to eat more than normal and so need to burn off the excess calories.

I was on my mobile before, apologies for missing that.

I ninja edited my last post, not sure if you saw it.. Surely you have to ask yourself why it is that some people can motivate themselves to make the effort but others can't? Do you not think obese people would like to have the drive to sort themselves out? Do you think they can just change their whole mindset, like snapping their fingers?
 
Elmarko, you're again missing the point that eating too often is not what makes you fat.
Consuming too much energy and not getting rid of enough of it is what makes you fat.

I eat too often without a doubt, I also eat too much. As I've explained previously this is due to a medical condition whereby I cannot absorb the same levels of nutrients from my food as a healthy person.
As a result I exercise more. Thus my weight is healthy. I'm 6ft tall and weigh 82 Kg. I could be overweight very easily (technically from BMI I am but due to cycling a lot I have very muscular thighs and buns of steel) but by using effort I am not. My diet is certainly not the healthiest, I love crisps and cakes but like every person know that these foods are not good for me and I will be required to burn off the excess energy they provide.

You cannot tell me that the majority of those in this country that are obese, I'm not talking overweight here, don't know that eating too much of the wrong foods will make you fat and you also can't tell me that they don't know getting off their backsides and exercising will help them lose weight.

A prime example of the levels of laziness I was referring to yesterday is available in the area where I live.
I live in a fairly small town in Northumberland. We have 4 middle schools in this town, we're quite well provided for in that respect. Obviously these schools have a catchment area. My partner is a teacher and thus I happen to know what the catchment area is. I know that the school I live less than a minutes walk from has a catchment radius of 100m to the East where it stops because of the sea. It extends 100m to the South because well...there are only fields that way for miles. It extends 1km to the North where it meets the catchment area of another school and 1km to the West where again there are nothing but fields.
Thus I believe we can all agree that there are very few students who will travel more than a km to have to get to school.
On a morning the local roads are gridlocked. We have to have traffic wardens patrolling and directing the traffic. People will not even walk less than a km to drop their children off at school. You could argue it's because they don't feel safe, not the case as there are wide pedestrian paths from all housing developments nearby to this school so they do not run alongside roads. We get less rainfall than the UK average here so weather is typically not an issue either.
What is very evident is those driving the cars are much fatter than the parents who walk their kids to school. The fact is that people, in general, are lazy.

There will be some unfortunate people who do have mental issues which make them eat more (comfort, self hatred etc), or medical issues like Castiel had where he was putting weight on even on a very restricted diet but as mentioned this does not support the increasing levels of obesity prevalent the world over. These issues have always existed and always will exist in about the same levels of a population in terms of %age.
People can make the effort to lose the weight that more sedentiary lifestyles and more easily available foods provide but well...they don't because it takes time and effort. It's not because they were touched by their uncle or the kids made fun of their glasses, it's because they just don't want to get off the couch and move away from the TV. It's because they want to park right outside their front door and not 50m up the road. It's because a pizza can be pulled out of the box, bunged in the over and be ready in 15 mins whereas a good stew takes 30 mins of prep and hours to cook.
It is human nature to want to receive something with the minimum amount of effort required. Infact that is true of all life. Living organisms generally do not expend energy when they do not need to.
It's like talking to a brick wall.

Nobody said that in many cases eating too much causes obesity - just that in many cases reasons exists as to why they eat to much (some of which may just be a lack of self-control, which isn't a medical condition but has to be learned at a young age) - it simply isn't as simple as you are making out.

I grow tired of repeated this point.

reasons exists as to why they eat to much
reasons exists as to why they eat to much
reasons exists as to why they eat to much

Do you get it yet?

Also, the term lazy isn't used much in the field of human behaviour because mostly it's a subjective interpretation of another's behaviour - try to ask more questions.

This is what a conversation with you is like.

You - Fat people eat too much which get's them fat.
Me - Why?
You - Because they are lazy
Me - What exactly do you mean by lazy?.
You - Idle, not willing to work - engage in physical activity.
Me - What are the causal links associated with idleness, not wanting to work & lack of engagement in physical activity?
You - Because lazy.
Me - Yes I know, but I asked about the next stage.
You - It's because.... lazy!.
Me - OK.!....., next question anybody?.
 
One reason to be nice to fat (indeed any) people is that you never know when you might need someone's help.

If it's physical help I'd wager a slim person is going to be of more help in most situations than someone so fat they require a mobility scooter.
 
You - Fat people eat too much which get's them fat.
Me - Why?
You - Because they are lazy
Me - What exactly do you mean by lazy?.
You - Idle, not willing to work - engage in physical activity.
Me - What are the causal links associated with idleness, not wanting to work & lack of engagement in physical activity?
You - Because lazy.
Me - Yes I know, but I asked about the next stage.
You - It's because.... lazy!.
Me - OK.!....., next question anybody?.

:D
 
It's like talking to a brick wall.

Nobody said that in many cases eating too much causes obesity - just that in many cases reasons exists as to why they eat to much (some of which may just be a lack of self-control, which isn't a medical condition but has to be learned at a young age) - it simply isn't as simple as you are making out.

I grow tired of repeated this point.

reasons exists as to why they eat to much
reasons exists as to why they eat to much
reasons exists as to why they eat to much

Do you get it yet?

Also, the term lazy isn't used much in the field of human behaviour because mostly it's a subjective interpretation of another's behaviour - try to ask more questions.

This is what a conversation with you is like.

You - Fat people eat too much which get's them fat.
Me - Why?
You - Because they are lazy
Me - What exactly do you mean by lazy?.
You - Idle, not willing to work - engage in physical activity.
Me - What are the causal links associated with idleness, not wanting to work & lack of engagement in physical activity?
You - Because lazy.
Me - Yes I know, but I asked about the next stage.
You - I's because.... lazy!.
Me - OK.!....., next question anybody?.

Again, since you seem utterly unable to comprehend I'll repeat.

Eating lots does not make you fat.
Insufficient calorific usage does.

Try and get that in to your head. Athletes consume up to 10000 calories a day, that's 5 times more than the average person requires. Why are they not fat? Go on, see if you can answer.
You just seem totally unwilling to accept that levels of activity have decreased. I've provided you with examples. You ignore them. You point to genetic studies, ok, but how many people are affected by the
Genes in question? What about those that are afflicted by them but aren't fat?
Laziness is a simple way to refer tolack of effort and activity. Might not be the 'technical' term but it suffices. Again, why complicate things when they don't need to be?
 
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Again, since you seem utterly unable to comprehend I'll repeat.

Eating lots does not make you fat.
Insufficient calorific usage does.

Try and get that in to your head. Athletes consume up to 10000 calories a day, that's 5 times more than the average person requires. Why are they not fat? Go on, see if you can answer.
Maybe you should learn to read.

I said "Eating too much" - this phrase implies over the required amount, an athletes consuming up to 10000 calories a day isn't too much is it? - too much would be an athlete that burns 10000 calories eating 15000 calories.

Try to argue against the point I'm making please.
 
Again, since you seem utterly unable to comprehend I'll repeat.

Oh, the ironing..

Eating lots does not make you fat.
Insufficient calorific usage does.

Try and get that in to your head. Athletes consume up to 10000 calories a day, that's 5 times more than the average person requires. Why are they not fat? Go on, see if you can answer.

Let's try this then...

reasons exist as to why they have insufficient calorific usage
reasons exist as to why they have insufficient calorific usage
reasons exist as to why they have insufficient calorific usage

:p

And you didn't answer my questions.. Surely you have to ask yourself why it is that some people can motivate themselves to make the effort but others can't? Do you not think obese people would like to have the drive to sort themselves out? Do you think they can just change their whole mindset, like snapping their fingers?
 
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