Why should we accept and accommodate people being fat?

Not really. Laziness is the wrong word for me. I would prefer 'humans have evolved to be efficient when resources are scarce'.

Regarding motivation they are possibly less worried about their physical form/health/etc. than you are about yours. I can't understand why you won't accept that people can have their own motivations without denigrating them with the word lazy.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
Not really. Laziness is the wrong word for me. I would prefer 'humans have evolved to be efficient when resources are scarce'.

Regarding motivation they are possibly less worried about their physical form/health/etc. than you are about yours. I can't understand why you won't accept that people can have their own motivations without denigrating them with the word lazy.
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Because hating fatties is the name of the game here.
What's funny is the OP has a correct point, the gist being "it's about time we helped people rather than just allowing it to happen", but the wording and utter BS people have spewed trying to get that point across is ridiculous.

I've been arguing in this thread plenty, against the fatty haters, but not because i disagree with a lot of their points, simply because they're oversimplifying and making wild assumptions.

No one here that has been saying that obesity is a complex issue is campainging that because of that it's ok, we're all simply saying its far more complex than "they're fat so they're lazy". Because that assumes you can just give someone a stern talking to and fix everything.

TL;DR - Fat =! lazy. That doesn't mean we shouldn't help obese individuals.


Oh and i can tell you know, if someone comes upto me and talks about my health, regardless of if they're right or not, they can **** right off and i won't take any heed. In the same way i bet no smoker has had a stranger have a go at them and have a moment of sudden realisation and fix their habits.
 
I used to be quite a bit overweight. Not ridiculously fat, but larger than I should have been (18.5st, 6ft, reasonable amount of muscle). I'm pretty lazy and the fatness kinda crept up on me - I didn't really think about what I was eating and the changes happen so slowly you don't really notice the change.

I'm now a shade under 15st because I take care of what I eat (and I'm just as lazy really).

In my experience, being larger than you should be is more often down to a lack of attention to what you're eating (not just quantity but content etc) rather than being a medical condition or down to never walking everywhere.

Calories in > calories burned = weight gain, no matter what.
 
This graph explains it all

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I also spent too long looking at it before clocking the key :(

I must admit I'm overweight somewhat but I work at a desk 16 hours a day. I only really have time to workout on weekends.
 
I don't have anything against fat people, it's a lifestyle choice, kind of, that's yours to make. As for the burden on society, I do some things that may well raise quite a bill with the NHS if I get it wrong. I am happy to be friendly with fat people.

All that said, I am not attracted to you. The people I'm attracted to have a body that fits their build, they tend to be people that look after themselves.

When I hit that point where you can't just eat all you want any more I went up to about 90Kg, it was a wake up call, I started a chart and I'm now back at about 73Kg, I can see my abs (feeble as they are), my target is 68Kg.
 
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What if, and I understand it's a novel idea, we looked at being overweight as something we didn't have to fix. As if someone's weight, figure, eating habits or lifestyle choices were simply personal matter and did not affect or require countermeasures, judgement or addressing by general public?

What if, I'm just plucking ideas straight from the air now, we just made allowance for those rounder, fuller bodied people to be perfectly ok with not being visually pleasing or of diminished desirability to those operating under what seems to be nothing more than a "I don't like it, you must stop it" credo?
 
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This thread made me feel bad so I tried to lose as much weight as possible in a day. My wife has asked me to stop touching myself, so I will leave it there.
 
v0n said:
What if, and I understand it's a novel idea, we looked at being overweight as something we didn't have to fix. As if someone's weight, figure, eating habits or lifestyle choices were simply personal matter and did not affect or require countermeasures, judgement or addressing by general public?

What if, I'm just plucking ideas straight from the air now, we just made allowance for those rounder, fuller bodied people to be perfectly ok with not being visually pleasing or of diminished desirability to those operating under what seems to be nothing more than a "I don't like it, you must stop it" credo?
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We spiral into a country of morbidly obese who no longer work due to their size and therefore the NHS doesn't have the funds to pay for all their health issues?
 
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We spiral into a country of morbidly obese who no longer work due to their size and therefore the NHS doesn't have the funds to pay for all their health issues?
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Do we have any data to suggest our current overweight population actually will spiral into statistically significant numbers of "morbidly obese who no longer work due to their size"?
 
Probably not, but surely just seeing it as a lifestyle choice and thinking nothing of it would just make matters worse?

We don't accept alcoholics, chain smokers or drug addicts as an acceptable lifestyle choice, so why should it be any different when it comes to food?

Note I am talking about excess here, people are going to enjoy a drink, a cigarette, a bit of weed or a bit too much food. I don't see a bit overweight as being a problem, but morbid obesity I would see as a problem. The heavier you are the greater the risk to your health.
 
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What if, and I understand it's a novel idea, we looked at being overweight as something we didn't have to fix. As if someone's weight, figure, eating habits or lifestyle choices were simply personal matter and did not affect or require countermeasures, judgement or addressing by general public?

What if, I'm just plucking ideas straight from the air now, we just made allowance for those rounder, fuller bodied people to be perfectly ok with not being visually pleasing or of diminished desirability to those operating under what seems to be nothing more than a "I don't like it, you must stop it" credo?
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Life expectancy and quality of life suffers, we'd have a nation of manically depressed people with very little productivity. I very rarely see morbidly obese people in work, behind the counter, serving you in restaurants or behind a desk. They're always the ones hobbling about the shops, sometimes in electric scooters acting like *****
 
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What if, and I understand it's a novel idea, we looked at being overweight as something we didn't have to fix. As if someone's weight, figure, eating habits or lifestyle choices were simply personal matter and did not affect or require countermeasures, judgement or addressing by general public?

What if, I'm just plucking ideas straight from the air now, we just made allowance for those rounder, fuller bodied people to be perfectly ok with not being visually pleasing or of diminished desirability to those operating under what seems to be nothing more than a "I don't like it, you must stop it" credo?
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What about if we applied the same logic to smokers, alcoholics and drug addicts?
 
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What about if we applied the same logic to smokers, alcoholics and drug addicts?
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I would. In fact, and this is a touch controversial, I'd be giving out free heroin to users so they don't have to steal. They can take it in safe 'shooting galleries' and get all the info and help they want but don't have to pay for their drugs. It is very cheap to produce, we buy it from Afghan farmers, they're happy - one up the taleban, then we give it to addicts, one up the dealers. Plus fewer house burglaries etc.

The only qualm is whether we accept it as a lifestyle choice. Which I do. Let evolution sort it out... *hides behind keyboard*
 
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