Alan Turing Granted Royal Pardon

The only crime the fellow is guilty of was being alive and gay in the 1950s and now he has been pardoned for that so move on.

Correct.

Also, in the gay community, the age gap thing is not a big deal. It's actually very common for older men to date younger men and it's not frowned upon in the same way as it is in the hetero-sexual community. A case in point that springs to mind was a film I watched recently, Behind The Candelabra. The age gap between Liberace and Scot Thorson in that film was at least 30+ years and I don't see anyone calling Liberace a seedy pervert. :rolleyes:
 
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Also, in the gay community, the age gap thing is not a big deal. It's actually very common for older men to date younger men and it's not frowned upon in the same way as it is in the hetero-sexual community. A case in point that springs to mind was a film I watched recently, Behind The Candelabra. The age gap between Liberace and Scot Thorson in that film was at least 30+ years and I don't see anyone calling Liberace a seedy pervert. :rolleyes:

You ain't looking in the right places...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252599
 

They were still consenting adults when their relationship started, so the paedo line doesn't fly with me. Also, having watched the film, they were together for a long time and there was no hint of any paedophilia by Liberace anywhere.

There's a difference between men who are attracted to younger men/women and paedophilia. I think ALL men appreciate the beauty of youth, but most of us come to the conclusion that it's better to date older women, because they are more mature and more of a fit.

*EDIT* Lmao for linking me to a David Icke forum !!!
 
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Just in time for Christmas, he will be pleased...

Timing coincides with Tories being criticised for attitudes on the Bulgaria & Romania thing a little? I think they are just looking for popularity with liberals.

It's still a matter of national shame.
 
It's about time! I'm glad it's finally happened but it's just disgraceful it's taken this long.

He was a hero and genius and should be celebrated.
 
The only crime the fellow is guilty of was being alive and gay in the 1950s and now he has been pardoned for that so move on.

What about all the other gay men convicted of the same thing?
We obviously know what he did and owe him a great big thanks but why is he special that only he gets the pardon?
 
I really can't make my mind up on this one.

The law was wrong, it should never have existed.

It was however law. He should have respected it.

He knowingly broke the law.

ARGH!
 
I really can't make my mind up on this one.

The law was wrong, it should never have existed.

It was however law. He should have respected it.

He knowingly broke the law.

ARGH!
Not all laws should be respected, unjust ones should be challenged & ignored.
 
Not all laws should be respected, unjust ones should be challenged & ignored.

It was a different time though and what he did was stupid.
He knew the law but stupidly went to the Police and admitted his homosexuality and liaisons with a 19 year old.
My wifes Uncle died earlier this year at the age of 89 and he recounted stories of how they had to hide their homosexuality which I found a bit hard to believe because when I first met him in 1974 he was as camp as Quentin Crisp.
However I suppose in 1974 he could 'come out'.
 
Not all laws should be respected, unjust ones should be challenged & ignored.

Correct.

Too many people elevating law above morality on this thread. If you live in a country that has laws that violate your human rights, then you should stand up and defy that law because that is how things get changed.

As a point of interest, Uganda has just passed laws that mean lengthy jail sentences for homosexuals. Should that law be respected ? If you were a gay Englishman heading for Uganda tomorrow for a new life, once you got there would you suddenly become abstinent or would you continue to do what comes naturally and have relationships with other men ?
 
It was a different time though and what he did was stupid.
He knew the law but stupidly went to the Police and admitted his homosexuality and liaisons with a 19 year old.
My wifes Uncle died earlier this year at the age of 89 and he recounted stories of how they had to hide their homosexuality which I found a bit hard to believe because when I first met him in 1974 he was as camp as Quentin Crisp.
However I suppose in 1974 he could 'come out'.

Was he a Polari speaker by any chance?
 
Correct.

Too many people elevating law above morality on this thread. If you live in a country that has laws that violate your human rights, then you should stand up and defy that law because that is how things get changed.

As a point of interest, Uganda has just passed laws that mean lengthy jail sentences for homosexuals. Should that law be respected ? If you were a gay Englishman heading for Uganda tomorrow for a new life, once you got there would you suddenly become abstinent or would you continue to do what comes naturally and have relationships with other men ?

It should be respected.

No amount of gay sex would be worth a lengthy jail sentence.

Probably best not to go to Uganda though if that's your thing.
 
I would say "About time too" as well. But it should never of come to this, it should never of happened. It's a little too late.

Absolutely, way too little way too late!
We like to call ourselves civilized but that's a complete joke considering we were mutilating / torturing people no less than 61 years ago for something they had no control of, their sexuality! Utterly disgraceful :mad:

Not surprised though of the sprinkling of thinly veneered homophobic responses to it though! This place has some really pathetic individuals tbh :rolleyes:
 
Interesting comment I found on the Telegraph earlier.

I think this is dreadful news. I work in software, I'm interested in cryptography and WW2, I have dozens of books on my shelves that make references to Turing and his work. He certainly was a pioneer and although his role in ww2 is I think inflated - he did not work alone - he made a massive contribution. BUT I also believe in truth, and the truth is that he did break the law of the land as it was in those days, a law that was legitimate - more so than most we have today as it actually came from our parliament and was backed with our votes. You can deplore the law, just as you might deplore slavery, but you can't go rewriting history, and nor should we impose our values, or rather the values of Islington and the BBC, on our forefathers. I find that profoundly insulting.

Maybe we should remember that the men who went off to war were, by today's standards, racist, homophobic, misogynists. Seems to me if we undo Turing's conviction, and condemn those who brought it about, we probably should condemn everyone of that time - and I'm certainly not prepared to do that. I think of my great uncle, a man who peppered every conversation with casual racist terms, who the 'right-on' brigade here would probably have despised, but who fought through North Africa up to Italy and saved this country - I can imagine his thoughts on Turing. Should we condemn men like him, men of his time? I will not.

The Turing pardon is plain wrong. It's just one more pitiful attempt by that pathetic sham of a 'conservative' in number ten to try to replace the millions of votes he's thrown away in the gay marriage disaster, and it'll win him nothing.

Turing was a great man - flawed by the standards of that day and I also think todays, but a great man nonetheless. The people puffing themselves up about his pardon today are posturing pygmies.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/g...degrees-of-freedom-the-legacy-of-alan-turing/
 
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I think it is a good thing, it is effectively a way of saying "What we did in the past and how we treated homosexuality was wrong." Which it was. It changes nothing about the past but says more about what we intend to be in the future.
 
I think it is a good thing, it is effectively a way of saying "What we did in the past and how we treated homosexuality was wrong." Which it was. It changes nothing about the past but says more about what we intend to be in the future.
That's very much how the i see it.

We recognise our historic failings with the hope of learning from them, with the intention of not repeating them in the future. As a society we need to challenge authority when it's unjust to maintain civil & ethical progress.
 
Are they going to pardon everyone else convicted under that law, or is it just the famous ones?
Personally I think all should, along with anybody else classified as a criminal under barbaric historic laws. Society should most certainly admit its mistakes.
 
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