Fibre available in my area - but I'm excluded!
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Everything that has happened in the past is a pretty good indication, such as the fact that you're on a Be connection at the moment using an Openreach line connected to an Openreach exchange.
Ofcom had very little to do with BDUK, local authorities awarded the contracts to BT after almost every other player pulled out or wasn't able to meet the government's own requirements (such as open access to the services it was going to fund).
Ofcom had very little to do with BDUK, local authorities awarded the contracts to BT after almost every other player pulled out or wasn't able to meet the government's own requirements (such as open access to the services it was going to fund).
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Basically, the Government is biased to BT, so other companies didn't stand a chance. The voting wasn't fair, it was completely one-sided.
ofcom allowed BT to do what ever it wanted over BDUK.
the primary reason everone else pulled out was BT existing infrastructure they could not use and the fear BT would immediately more into areas where they might have rolled out an alternative and undercutting them.
and i note that BDUK has already said its going to miss the deadlines given. additionally i live in a "superfast city" yet BT has done notehing here and said its not ever planning to upgrade my cabinet. why? because it has no competition and would rather wait for the state to pay for the upgrades to eventually happen.
the primary reason everone else pulled out was BT existing infrastructure they could not use and the fear BT would immediately more into areas where they might have rolled out an alternative and undercutting them.
and i note that BDUK has already said its going to miss the deadlines given. additionally i live in a "superfast city" yet BT has done notehing here and said its not ever planning to upgrade my cabinet. why? because it has no competition and would rather wait for the state to pay for the upgrades to eventually happen.
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The problem with this lack of competition as you rightly stated is that BT have no reason to expand at a decent rate. Their fibre plan really isn't very future-proof either. They should have been made to do FTTP or nothing, but they weren't made to, so we'll have the same problem again in 10-20 years when the current speeds are too slow. *sigh*.
Nobody has the right to dictate to BT what products they should be rolling out. If you want to build an expensive FTTC network to serve the entire population then you pay for it through taxation.
Anyone else can build their own national network, Ofcom can't stop this.
Anyone else can build their own national network, Ofcom can't stop this.
Your reply was to a point about property values.
I don't see how using a business leased line as an example of it being possible to put fibre in the ground and make money has any bearing on whether it's possible to do it at a consumer level. Obviously it's possible to make money offering a leased line service where you charge several thousand pounds for the install and then several hundred each month, but the last mile often goes over Openreach infrastructure anyway. Fluidata use FTTPoD where it's available to provide their services, one of the few companies involved in the trial.
Virgin Media / ntl went bankrupt several times trying to build out an infrastructure that didn't simply cherry-pick buildings that were easy to service, and even then they got to avoid doing much in the more rural areas.
With regards to your article from 2008, everyone has access to the infrastructure, here's the price list: http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/hom...6rNZujnCs99NbIKJZPD9hXYmiijxH6wr CQm97GZMyQ==
If it's so easy to build out your own nationwide fibre network then why is nobody trying?
Please explain to me then why the quote I recieved for a leased line using fibre optic directly to my residential front door was less than the quote I recieved for BT to offer me FTTPoD?
BT quoted £5k per mile for installation only, the nearest exchange is 4 miles away!
Funnily enough it was only 2 weeks after this quote that my line was switched from that exchange to the FTTC cabinet that serves the whole village, which tells me BT would have ripped me right off had I approved the quote!
Yes they can. And they do!
I don't know, you'd have to ask them. Normally a leased line install costs are offset by a 3 or 5 year term and the provider will take a hit on the install.
The maximum sync speed is 80/20. Actual throughput will be lower due to overheads. Speedtest.net is probably more accurate than Steam & Origin.
Awesome, I see that this thread has totally derailed and become a different discussion entirely!
Just an update to my original post. The last cabinet in our village has been enabled for fibre (it has a fibre sticker on it, and the phones connected to it return as being enabled for 79Mbps), but as I originally suspected, we're not connected to that cabinet either. I have spoken with Zen, my provider, and they have nobody at BT that they can talk to about this exchange only issue. I just want to get some indication of plans for when it might be enabled for us. I have checked the coverage and basically the proper village has been totally excluded in the fibre upgrade, but new developments on the outskirts of the village have their own cabinets and they are eligible for an upgrade. This is just absolutely crazy.
Anyone have any idea how I would go about contacting BT about this?
Just an update to my original post. The last cabinet in our village has been enabled for fibre (it has a fibre sticker on it, and the phones connected to it return as being enabled for 79Mbps), but as I originally suspected, we're not connected to that cabinet either. I have spoken with Zen, my provider, and they have nobody at BT that they can talk to about this exchange only issue. I just want to get some indication of plans for when it might be enabled for us. I have checked the coverage and basically the proper village has been totally excluded in the fibre upgrade, but new developments on the outskirts of the village have their own cabinets and they are eligible for an upgrade. This is just absolutely crazy.
Anyone have any idea how I would go about contacting BT about this?
The new developments got a fibre cabinet as they have to put a cabinet in anyway, so why put in one they would have to replace down the line? There is no profit in that.
I live on a new development in our village and we don't have a cabinet. One of the other new developments in the village also didn't get a cabinet. My issue here is that some new developments further from the exchange had cabinets installed, but the rest closer to the exchange didn't. They've exluded us because apparently it is cheaper or more cost effective to connect our developments to the exchange rather than to a cabinet that they have to put in. My argument is that this is all great if they're going to upgrade the equipment in the exchange to give the EO connections access to fibre, but short-term we lose out on this rollout because I very much doubt that BT will be doing that in our exchange. We're definitely not big enough for them to warrant the effort, so more than half of our village has been excluded from the fibre update, which is a shame.
I would presume that you already have a decent sync rate via ADSL2+, too? Exchange only lines by nature are usually very short and as such serve customers which stand to benefit the least from FTTC services.
As it stands I don't think you will find that FTTC will be coming any time soon to exchange only areas, and when overcome it will be a nationwide issue.
As it stands I don't think you will find that FTTC will be coming any time soon to exchange only areas, and when overcome it will be a nationwide issue.
Your line must also be fairly lengthy for you to be getting that sync rate, what an annoying situationSadly it is one which a hell of a lot of people are in.
Well on my previous router I synced at 7.5Mbps so out of the possible 8Mbps that's not too bad, but it is still nowhere near 20Mbps or fibre. Sadly the DSL modem in that router stopped working so I had to go back to an older one.