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AMD Hawaii GPU Die Shot Analyzed – Fully Unlocked Chip May Have 48 Compute Units and 3072 Stream Pro
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Ti-killer?
It won't take much to beat a reference 780TI considering how close a reference 290X is to it.
I hope this doesn't see light of day, starting to get old now, 28nm has been milked for every last % of perf as it is.
Releasing this would mark a third year of amd releasing 28nm cards, get 20nm out the door and blow everyone's socks off.
Releasing this would mark a third year of amd releasing 28nm cards, get 20nm out the door and blow everyone's socks off.
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It's not unlike AMD to disable feature sets. Could well be deliberate. When you consider the thermal limitations of the current cards though you do have to wonder if it was a decision very close post production to disable them for whatever reason as you've said.
Reminds me ever so slightly of their tri-core CPUS.
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Agreed, it's time to move to a smaller node and lower power consumption...
^^ This, it was probably to keep power consumption down, imagine the extra heat / noise / power consumption of the fully unlocked 28nm part
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Agreed, it's time to move to a smaller node and lower power consumption...
^^ This, it was probably to keep power consumption down, imagine the extra heat / noise / power consumption of the fully unlocked 28nm part
There is not much in it between the 290p and 290x so it might not be as bad as you think. As long as it does not come along with the reference cooling.
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Just realised he's comparing die shots, there isnt anything on the Hawaii chip currently other than unused space.
Probably doesnt mean anything.
Probably doesnt mean anything.
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His main reasoning for suggesting this is not the die shot itself but because he's comparing the number of blocks and extracting the size he THINKS it should be based on Tahiti/Pitcarn, which is fine if it was the same architecture and offered similar performance and had the same feature set.
Unfortunately, while Pitcarn/Tahiti are the same architecture, Hawaii is not, it increased performance significantly beyond the die size increase(40% faster, 24% larger.....). Ignoring die space required for things like powertune 2, true audio, that tmus/shaders/rops/just about everything could have changed enough to account for the supposed difference in die size is rather silly. He's decided "it's just the same architecture so double the rops of Pitcarn means double the space, X % more shaders vs pitcarn means x % more space taken up.... then added it up and decided it should be 5% smaller.
It won't be to do with power. More shaders + lower clocks give the same performance, but lower clocks mean lower voltage, lower voltage = the most important thing in terms of power usage. It's probably not true, and if it was and if they aren't yielding well enough now, they likely won't be before 20nm comes along and any more time spent trying to respin it is a complete waste.
Nvidia release Titan at £800, then 780gtx at £600, then when AMD spanks it they drop it drastically to £300-400, thus everyone who paid £600 initially could and really should have been paying £400. Titan should never have been sold for more than £600(well less really but meh).
AMD came out and put the 290x at £420, the 290 at £300......... if the did release a ridiculously low yield 290xtx part it would be £500 and wouldn't actually change the pricing on the lower parts. Hence you didn't get screwed and wouldn't be.
In this case 290 buyers paid £300 at launch, pay £300 now, and will pay £300 even if a 290xtx uber edition comes out.
Bringing out a new part if/when yields improve or they can just get enough together for a non awful launch(if they only get 20 working dies per wafer, you couldn't even launch with 5k for a VERY long time) doesn't matter IF it doesn't screw existing buyers completely. AMD both have offered great value AND helped Nvidia buyers out by increasing the value of their buys. Unless AMD brought out this most likely fictional fully enabled part and AMD dropped the 290 down to £200, the 290x to £300 and priced it at £400, that would be screwing customers in the same way Nvidia likes to, but they didn't bring one out at a time months apart with insane pricing screwing their customers. The very first launch was everything they had available and at extremely competitive pricing.
Unfortunately, while Pitcarn/Tahiti are the same architecture, Hawaii is not, it increased performance significantly beyond the die size increase(40% faster, 24% larger.....). Ignoring die space required for things like powertune 2, true audio, that tmus/shaders/rops/just about everything could have changed enough to account for the supposed difference in die size is rather silly. He's decided "it's just the same architecture so double the rops of Pitcarn means double the space, X % more shaders vs pitcarn means x % more space taken up.... then added it up and decided it should be 5% smaller.
It won't be to do with power. More shaders + lower clocks give the same performance, but lower clocks mean lower voltage, lower voltage = the most important thing in terms of power usage. It's probably not true, and if it was and if they aren't yielding well enough now, they likely won't be before 20nm comes along and any more time spent trying to respin it is a complete waste.
Nvidia release Titan at £800, then 780gtx at £600, then when AMD spanks it they drop it drastically to £300-400, thus everyone who paid £600 initially could and really should have been paying £400. Titan should never have been sold for more than £600(well less really but meh).
AMD came out and put the 290x at £420, the 290 at £300......... if the did release a ridiculously low yield 290xtx part it would be £500 and wouldn't actually change the pricing on the lower parts. Hence you didn't get screwed and wouldn't be.
In this case 290 buyers paid £300 at launch, pay £300 now, and will pay £300 even if a 290xtx uber edition comes out.
Bringing out a new part if/when yields improve or they can just get enough together for a non awful launch(if they only get 20 working dies per wafer, you couldn't even launch with 5k for a VERY long time) doesn't matter IF it doesn't screw existing buyers completely. AMD both have offered great value AND helped Nvidia buyers out by increasing the value of their buys. Unless AMD brought out this most likely fictional fully enabled part and AMD dropped the 290 down to £200, the 290x to £300 and priced it at £400, that would be screwing customers in the same way Nvidia likes to, but they didn't bring one out at a time months apart with insane pricing screwing their customers. The very first launch was everything they had available and at extremely competitive pricing.
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I did laugh out loud when you digressed from the article to NV pricing but thanks for the elaberation before lol.
My face was probably a picture reading that post... heh - starting off sort of yeah yeah thats a good analysis of wait what!
He is very good at writing a wall of text which goes into a dig at Nvidia. SemiAccurate do the same thing as well...
"It is normal for the Hawaii XTX to run at 120 celcius on the core and pull 450W off the wall. This is by design and the users are not to be concerned about the warranty; reducing it to one year is purely a business decision. In addition, the reference cooler will make yet another comeback, it will only be a little bit louder than the 290x one".
.. Just taking the ****. I do hope they'll bring new tech at a lower nm instead of Mcgyvering something like this.
.. Just taking the ****. I do hope they'll bring new tech at a lower nm instead of Mcgyvering something like this.