Gove and his astonishingly poor grasp on reality

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Michael Gove, our esteemed Secretary of State for Education recently shot his mouth off over World War I in a confused and clueless attempt to rebrand World War I as a heroic fight of British Heroes against the Evils of Germany instead of a staggering human tragedy.

The smack down he's received in response is quite telling, this piece from Richard Evans is delightfully damning, I particularly like the closing section

And who are these people who are peddling "leftwing versions of the past designed to belittle Britain and its leaders"? Step forward, please, Professor Niall Ferguson, a self-styled right-winger whose book The Pity of War argues that it was wrong for Britain to enter the war in 1914 and claims that the British government of the day should have left the continental powers to slug it out among themselves. Step forward, please, Sir Max Hastings, former editor of the Daily Telegraph, whose trenchant criticisms of British generals such as Sir John French in his latest book Catastrophe: Europe Goes to War 1914 yield nothing in their severity to the coruscating attacks levelled at Sir Douglas Haig and other leaders of the British army by the late Conservative MP Alan Clark in his book The Donkeys, a term used to describe the British military performance in the war ("lions led by donkeys", was a phrase he attributed to a German commentator but later admitted he had invented himself).

None of these men could remotely be described as leftwing, yet all of them convicted Britain and its leaders either of making the wrong decision in 1914 or of turning the war effort into a "misbegotten shambles" – the words Gove uses to describe the portrayal of the conflict by the likes of Oh! What a Lovely War, The Monocled Mutineer and Blackadder. The arguments that will rage about the war over the coming months and years have nothing to do with left versus right; anyone who wants proof of this has only to read the comments thread on Gove's article in the Mail Online, where the newspaper's readers, few of whom I would guess would describe themselves as leftwingers, overwhelmingly reject his views.​

Even Margaret MacMillan, who Gove himself froths about dismissed his failed grasp of history

The historian Margaret MacMillan, warden of St Antony's College, Oxford, whose views of the war were, according to the Daily Mail, supported by Gove, also took issue with much of the education secretary's approach.

"You take your fans where you get them, I guess," she said. "I agree with some of what Mr Gove says, but he is mistaking myths for rival interpretations of history. I did not say, as Mr Gove suggests, that British soldiers in the first world war were consciously fighting for western liberal order. They were just defending their homeland and fighting what they saw as German militarism."

She added: "I wish we could see understanding the first world war as a European issue, or even a global one, and not a nationalistic one."​

It's frankly embarrassing that this man can hold such an important position in our government.
 
How come he was so popular when he spent all those years working in education before he was made a minister? What's that you say? He doesn't have any experience or relevant qualifications? He must be getting by on his good looks now then...
 
At the end of the day they should use all sources to teach, but then having said that, using blackadder to teach ww1... I'm sorry, but really? Next thing you know they will be using the green zone to teach the gulf war.
 
How come he was so popular when he spent all those years working in education before he was made a minister? What's that you say? He doesn't have any experience or relevant qualifications? He must be getting by on his good looks now then...

Funnily enough one of Mr Gove's policies is that people don't need experience or relevant qualifications to teach children, you can literally get tramps off the street to do it thanks to Gove.
 
I reckon Gove will in retrospect turn out to have been one of the most succesfsul and respected coalition ministers. He has faced down the intrenched and complacent teaching unions and seems to be implementing some gernally sensible policies. But the media narrative is very negative and it will only be when his policies bear fruit that this is finally successfuly countered.

But I'm not a teacher so my opinion probably doesn't count.
 
I reckon Gove will in retrospect turn out to have been one of the most succesfsul and respected coalition ministers. He has faced down the intrenched and complacent teaching unions and seems to be implementing some gernally sensible policies. But the media narrative is very negative and it will only be when his policies bear fruit that this is finally successfuly countered.

But I'm not a teacher so my opinion probably doesn't count.

Some are good and some are bad. I think some of the good ones will outweigh everything else.

Problem is that he is a bit too confrontational with some of his rubbish policies. Makes for an easy target when the Teaching Unions want to criticise him. Coming out with comments like "left wing academics" is just stupid. It also makes his changes appear more ideological (perhaps it is, and that would worry me) rather than for the good of education in this country.
 
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Having read the original piece I can't say I really disagree with him. The "Lions led by donkeys" view of the War is about as accurate as the fictional quote it is based on.
 
Some are good and some are bad. I think some of the good ones will outweigh everything else.

The change in league tables to value added rather than grades is good, the renewed focus on numeracy and literacy also much needed. The changes to ICT is very necessary and welcome. The changes to multiple exams in the same subject are also welcome.

However the side lining of the arts isn't great and the focus on knowledge rather than skills is not ideal either.
 
I dislike him more than any other politician. I'm surprised the tory party have given him such a prominent position.
 
The man is an absolute ****ing idiot with no expertise in education whatsoever. Free Schools and Acadamies are failing left right and centre (admittedly the academy process was started by Labour but under a very different guise) and the cost of them has spiralled out of control during a time of supposed austerity.

His department has some good ideas but they're far outweighed by the idiotic ones. I work in the education sector but am not a teacher before anyone accuses me of being some leftie NUT zealot.
 
At the end of the day they should use all sources to teach, but then having said that, using blackadder to teach ww1... I'm sorry, but really? Next thing you know they will be using the green zone to teach the gulf war.

What's wrong with using Blackadder to teach?

I remember my A-level history teacher showing us Blackadder episodes when learning about WW1. Got our interest, introduced us to an awesome comedy show/ piece of TV history, and showed the futility of war; the most memorable lessons I had revolved around that series.

I went on to read history at uni too...
 
I'm very confused by this thread. Given that I know zero about this man before opening this thread I gave what he said a gander.

"In the Daily Mail, Gove wrote: "The conflict has, for many, been seen through the fictional prism of dramas such as Oh! What a Lovely War, The Monocled Mutineer and Blackadder, as a misbegotten shambles – a series of catastrophic mistakes perpetrated by an out-of-touch elite. Even to this day there are leftwing academics all too happy to feed those myths." He singled out Richard Evans ,"the Cambridge historian and Guardian writer", as an example of such academics.

The war, he said, was "an unspeakable tragedy", but also "plainly a just war", and it was important that young people learned about it "in the right way". The paper's summary of the article was headed "Gove blasts Blackadder myths"."


I see 3 points,
1- that the war is mocked as a mibegotten shambles, that this is a myth and shouldn't be taught in school, via Blackadder
2- that academics perpetrate this myth,
3- that it was an unspeakable tragedy that should be learned in the right way!

Now I agree with two of those points, and can't comment on academics, because I know nothing of the two in questions.
However that said, why is what he said wrong? I think he makes a fairly valid point! Teachers shouldn't be using Blackadder, its a comedy ffs. I don't believe WW1 was a shambles either.

Someone care to fill me in on what so idiotic that I'm either two stupid to see or missing, and that has caused some many people to jump on the KILL GOVE bandwagon.
Did he say something else I haven't seen..
 
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