The rebel within really badly wants to post nothing
Tories plotting to axe bus passes and winter fuel allowance for OAPs in new round of brutal cuts
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The rebel within really badly wants to post nothing
You have to 'attend' school, doesn't mean you have to learn anything
Very true
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It seems that the rich are helped by the right and the poor are helped by the left. It's the poor suckers in the middle that get screwed constantly.
My thoughts are that it is professional politicians that are causing the problems by having no real existence and only joining politics due to the power and benefits. If the general public refused to vote for anyone without real world experience in their local elections then maybe we could get back to having useful politicians who are doing the job through conviction rather than for the gravy train.
You think turning around a £100bn+ black hole in a budget during the midst of an economic collapse is a simple task
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UKIP get my vote too.
They genuinely believe in what they say, and will act accordingly.
The other parties sneered at UKIP's polices, but are using watered down parts of it now.
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Are you actually kidding me? Since the early 2000's every single Government has been bending over backwards to make pensioners happy so as to get their votes. The youth have been sacrificed to keep the old happy and this country is going to suffer massively in the next 30-40 years because of it. And yet because the old are seen as "defenceless" nobody has dared to question the ridiculousness of this short-sighted policy.
I completely agree.
The government and media could have, over the last decade, quite easily instilled the ideology that offspring of the baby boomer generation are responsible for looking after their parents.
It would have avoided the soon-to-come and unavoidable pension bubble to burst.
It's a culture that the British sadly lack and quite frankly I blame the government. Ultimately they have more influence on the nation than anyone (especially here on ocuk) could actually believe.
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All these cuts, yet the government is still addicted to debt and borrowing like there is no tomorrow.
Once interest rates increase, how bad will the austerity really get?
Enjoy this life everyone.. it won't last for much longer.
It's a frightening thought. I suppose now's the time to gain every skill you can, so if everything goes up the chuffer you'll be the right man in the right place. (and hopefully ride it out as well as is possible)
I'm likely attending the party conference this year. Just to see what the members are like and to interact with the supporters, councillors etc.
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from your profile you're unemployed?
You think turning around a £100bn+ black hole in a budget during the midst of an economic collapse is a simple task
This.
At the end of the day, whichever government comes in HAS to continue with the cuts. You think times are bad now? Just wait what happens if labor gets back in power and opens up the cheque book again.
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What proof is there that fuel allowances and bus passes are going to be cut? In fact this BBC article suggests otherwise:
"Asked earlier if some pensioner benefits could be means-tested the chancellor told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the Conservatives' values had not changed, suggesting they would continue to support all pensioners getting things like the winter fuel allowance, irrespective of income"
"He said changing universal benefits for pensioners would save only "tens of millions" of pounds"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25617844
Sounds like the OAP's EMA - cut it I say before they spend it all of ciggerettes and CD's!
"Asked earlier if some pensioner benefits could be means-tested the chancellor told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the Conservatives' values had not changed, suggesting they would continue to support all pensioners getting things like the winter fuel allowance, irrespective of income"
"He said changing universal benefits for pensioners would save only "tens of millions" of pounds"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25617844
Sounds like the OAP's EMA - cut it I say before they spend it all of ciggerettes and CD's!
no, he messed up his education, he messed up his future having kids young when he couldn't afford them and now expects society to pick up the bill, he is the useless benefit scrounging youth he's complaining about.
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All these cuts, yet the government is still addicted to debt and borrowing like there is no tomorrow.
Once interest rates increase, how bad will the austerity really get?
Enjoy this life everyone.. it won't last for much longer.
Have you heard of the word defecit over the last 4-5 years, ie the amount that EVERY year we are short on income to match the outgoings?
Guess what if you have a defecit the amount you owe in total goes up, the majority of that debt has been built up in recent years as gordons (never to be repeated bust) came and was attempted to be covered up by Labours spend spend spend our way out of recession. Such as creating millions of public jobs to cover the problem, massively extending the states responsibility to pay for mortgages (much faster and for much longer)
Policies for buying votes that happened at previous elections by massively increasing welfare entitlement mean't it was going to take a massive and sustained assault on spending to try to balance the books, or run a zero defecit, and its still 2-3 years off by current strategy. That will get us to a point the debt would stop going up, we would have to then try to start paying it back! No one is even talking about paying the debt back just how the hell we can stop it going up.
I work with someone who gets winter fuel allowance (yes I said I work with), its because his wife is slightly older and now past the retirement age, oh and guess what, she hasn't retired yet either! That had a real struggle to actually NOT get it.
The big problem I have with making all pensioner benefits means linked is that its yet another assault on the financially prudent. The more you assault those that have a bit because they have worked hard, have gone without, one of the very few who have inherited lots of money etc the more you reinforce the entitlement culture as people see it that they might as well spend it now as someone else will come along later to pick up the pieces for them if it goes wrong.
We need to massively increase personal responsibility not do yet more to erode it.
Nice now would you say it to ones face.
If you read you will see my life was ****** up due to a lazy family and had a job at 14 years old till 17 years old.(i was not out all hours robbing people,smoking weed,or drinking beer)
I had money so how can I be a benefit scrounger? I worked unlike most so get that right mate.
I only blame two people for my bad life and that is my perants for bring me in such and bad lazy ass family.
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haha! Wow, you couldnt make it up... Oh wait, the Mirror just did.
Good post.
The problem with this nation though is that people are not given any form or education relating to fiscal control (self and on a wider format) or about politics and how things work.
You end up with a nation voters who are completely niave/stupid and do not look to, or cannot, understand things beyond the top live basic. This creates a problem when you have lying ***** like Labour who promise cheaper this and that, more benefits, more jobs etc without having any coherent plan of delivery or caring to justify how they will do these.
The above creates another problem for this stupid ******* country in that politicians will lie to get in power, people buy it and then there is no accountability plus the morons will swiftly forget the **** ups as soon as a sensible party imposes reality.
All the problems are exacerbated by a media not interested in the truth but in making money and pandering to the masses, essentially a media as self serving as the politicians.
Education is the key to solving a lot if our problems. Unfortunately nothing can solve the dishonesty of the media and the politicians and their self serving agendas.