Lawful killing of Mark Duggan

anything I don't mind said:
I don't think drug dealers deserve to die like that. To me drug dealers are just business men, it is only because of prohibition that leads to it becoming a blackmarket where people can not ask for police protection. He probably had a gun to protect himself as is very common reason to have a gun. If he got pulled over by an unmarked car and thought someone was trying to kill him. Getting out the car with a gun hidden would not be such an unreasonable thing to do. It is only since guns have become illegal that it now such a big deal that even having one in your hand is enough of a justification for the police to kill you.

But again don't realy know enough about what happen to have an opinion.
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Have I misread this or missed some joke? Are you suggesting that if drug dealing and gun ownership was legal the world would be a better place? :confused:
 
wildman said:
but none the less true. This guy had a criminal background, was a known drug dealer and was known to frequently carry guns on the streets of London. I;d say the police did the community a favour here.....................
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Duggan had never been convicted of either drug dealing or carrying a gun.
 
wildman said:
WTF LOL ?

how are you even trying to justify him carrying a weapon...........
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listen hes just a guy out trying to do a job innit, hes like only sellin drugs cuz the police bees putting the man down every day. Its the only safe thing to do to carry a weapon to protect your business innit.

Its no different than a bank manager carrying a briefcase to stop all his important documents getting ruined.

/sarcasm

Incase anyone didnt realise this guy was no angel. Did he deserve to be killed on that day? Only the officers who took that action truly know. I wont be losing sleep for him anymore than i will for any of his drug dealing mates who had the same fate to their gang related issues.

The sight of his aunt on the news chanting no justice, no peace! just made my skin crawl. But then again maybe shes after a new flatscreen for the family to watch jeremy kyle on during the day, who knows.


On a more serious note, my heart goes out to the men and women who work in the police and emergency services who have to deal with this kind of thing on a daily basis. I wouldnt be the man to do their job for one second and i cant even begin to appreciate how difficult it must be to live with decisions like this and the impact it has. /salute

I really hope this doesnt end up being dragged through appeal courts for the next years as the bandwagon will just continue to grow with the rioting brigade hanging on by the coat tails.
 
Executive Beef said:
Have I misread this or missed some joke? Are you suggesting that if drug dealing and gun ownership was legal the world would be a better place? :confused:
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I am an advocate of gun ownership but I do not think that it will be some magic catalyst to a better place. I do think that drugs should be legalized yes. This would remove the black market and prevent a lot gang culture and remove the requirement for drug dealers to carry their guns for protection. Do you ever hear of a pharmaceutical sales man carrying a gun for protection?
 
Pity the guy had to be stupid and get himself killed.
Worse that was used as an excuse for more scum to riot, the same type of ignorant scum you could hear shouting and yelling outside the court today.
Still, you pays your monies, you takes your chances.
 
wldman said:
none the less true. This guy had a criminal background, rug dealer and was known to frequently carry guns on the streets of London. I;d say the police did the community a favour here.....................
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Agreed completely, the guy was basically a thug, and associated with other thugs.

Unless he was a complete div, why would he run when stopped in such a fashion ?
He could have just laid down, and allowed himself to be arrested, and taken action accordingly if the arrest was wrongful.

Instead he decided to act like one of those crack dealers you see in those american cop shows.

It's unfortunate he was a good looking lad, as the media is clearly playing on that.

I have some issues with how the UK police behave on occasion, but I think shooting him dead was the only sensible thing to do given the circumstances, Americans may be allowed to bear arms, but i don't want gangs ruling territory in my country, thank you very much!
 
anything I don't mind said:
They had come back with this verdict, it would be too much for them after the riots and everything to now claim that they did something wrong.
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?? I shouldn't have to explain this to you but its a jury that returned the verdict not the police. Its got nothing to do with anyone claiming that they previously did something wrong... its some people who ought to be objective and have no interests involved in the case either way.
 
the really annoying thing is the pandering the police has to do to the local idiots as a result of fears they'll kick off again... fortunately its quite cold outside so hopefully less of them will bother

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25657949

We know the trust is not shared by everyone. I will be offering to meet Mark Duggan's family to express our sorrow
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I don't think he's got anything to apologise for... the killing was legal, the family ought to be ashamed and frankly the rest of London deserves an apology from them for leading half a council estate up to the local police station and starting a massive riot back when it happened

Tottenham MP David Lammy has tried to use some long words but overall he seems rather confused

Tottenham MP David Lammy said the IPCC investigation had questions to answer, in particular what happened days before the shooting.
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"There are aspects of this verdict that are somewhat perplexing and seemingly contradictory to those of who us who have carefully followed the proceedings over the last few months."
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I don't see what so perplexing about an armed gangster getting shot, after a warning by armed police, for doing anything other than immediately complying with them and getting down onto the floor with his hands where they can see them. The fact he threw the gun away is immaterial. An officer facing a known armed and dangerous criminal has a right to respond to a threat to his life and frankly anything other than immediately complying with them and getting down on the floor, especially sudden movements etc.. is a potential threat.
 
anything I don't mind said:
I am an advocate of gun ownershipt I do think that it gic catalyst to a better place. I do think that drugs should be legalized yes. This would remove the black market and prevent a lot gang culture and remove the requirement for drug dealers to carry their guns for protection. Do you ever hear of a pharmaceutical sales man carrying a gun for protection?
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the guy was roaming about with a loaded Gun being a general menace ..im not sure what else there is to say.
 
dowie said:
?? I shouldn't have to explain this to you but its a jury that returned the verdict not the police. Its got nothing to do with anyone claiming that they previously did something wrong... its some people who ought to be objective and have no interests involved in the case either way.
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Hmm, forget Duggan being a drug dealer.. The Police shot a man for carrying a table leg, and that was judged another 'lawful' killing.

Come on sheeple.
 
So glad this was the outcome, people died in a much more unlawful manner as a result of his criminal behaviour
 
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