Lawful killing of Mark Duggan

I have been reading through a lot of the transcripts etc.

Series of events.

1. He was in the taxi with the gun.
2. He spotted that he was followed and BBM'd mates that Trident had him
3. They boxed in the taxi
4. He opened the sliding door and tried to run. At the same time he tried to ditch the evidence by throwing the gun away.
5. At the same time or split seconds later the armed officer opened fire thinking he was drawing the gun on him.

So yes at the time he was shot, he had no gun, but moments before he did when he tried to flee. Tough luck, his decision and one that meant he has paid for all of his sins in life.


So the scum bag knew what was happening, he knew the armed police were onto him, but he tried to flee and ditch the evidence. He was street wise and knew that there were armed officers onto him, but he thought he could outsmart them and make a run for it.

Eventually he has paid for all of his actions that the police and everyone knew he was involved in.

His decision to make a run for it and not give up so no sympathy to him or his family. My only sympathy goes to the police and especially the one that fired and has to live with the killing.

If his mother / aunt want to blame someone, they should look in the mirror.
 
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TrixiBuG said:
Has anyone mentioned that the gun he was supposed to be waving around at police was found 20 ft away from the taxi?
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I belive they think that he threw the gun out before/as they were stopping him. If the police were unsure whether or not he still had the gun/more than one gun then acting on the assumption he had a weapon was the right choice.
 
On seeing suspicious object in hand...

Policeman: Mark, da gun?
Duggan: Yes?
Policeman: OPEN FIRE!

Serves him right for having such an easily confused surname.
 
MrMoonX said:
Scumbag or not he wasn't holding a gun when police shot him, how is this lawful?
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Just put yourself in the shooting officers shoes,Would you rather hold on those few seconds that mark might have raised a gun to you..i would have shot him too.

The family are fighting a war they just wont win,It wont bring him back.
 
TrixiBuG said:
Has anyone mentioned that the gun he was supposed to be waving around at police was found 20 ft away from the taxi?
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With video surveillance of one policeman v...whatever, going into the minicab, retrieving something, then disappearing round to that vicinity. I wouldn't be surprised if it was planted.

The Police in all their force, acted as if he was coming out for a gun fight. The reality was he probably realised he was getting pulled, and as any street smart drug dealer would do, was he thought s*^% I need to ditch this gun pronto.. Shoved it under the seat, came out to surrender, boom. Dodgy cop probably realized oops that's a mobile not a gun, quickly better put one at the scene.

Thinking that the Police do not look out for themselves in naive. They're power trippy people who do that job for a reason. They want to be powerful and controlling, and as soon as they get in the armed unit, they feel even more powerful that they now have the power and ability to take someone's life.

It didn't matter if Duggan was scum or not. It really didn't. All they needed was an excuse to pull the trigger. These are not brave hero's. They're just humans doing a job they REALLY enjoy. Shooting targets all day long, and hopefully the occasional person.

Unless Duggan was holding a gun, then they should be held accountable. The public deserves that protection, from these armed numpties. If you shoot someone that's not actually carrying, at the very least you'll lose your job and possibly be convicted. Rest assured none of these brave hero's will ever get shot themselves. The odds are already way too much in their favor.
 
Planted lol.

There was any eye witness, he never ever suggested that a gun was planted.

Plus if you wanted to stitch Duggan up why would just put the gun 20 feet away, why not just put it next to him?
 
OldCoals said:
Planted lol.

There was any eye witness, he never ever suggested that a gun was planted.

Plus if you wanted to stitch Duggan up why would just put the gun 20 feet away, why not just put it next to him?
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He's just one of those people who hates the police. Can probably guess why. :)
 
thedoc46 said:
With video surveillance of one policeman v...whatever, going into the minicab, retrieving something, then disappearing round to that vicinity. I wouldn't be surprised if it was planted.

The Police in all their force, acted as if he was coming out for a gun fight. The reality was he probably realised he was getting pulled, and as any street smart drug dealer would do, was he thought s*^% I need to ditch this gun pronto.. Shoved it under the seat, came out to surrender, boom. Dodgy cop probably realized oops that's a mobile not a gun, quickly better put one at the scene.

Thinking that the Police do not look out for themselves in naive. They're power trippy people who do that job for a reason. They want to be powerful and controlling, and as soon as they get in the armed unit, they feel even more powerful that they now have the power and ability to take someone's life.

It didn't matter if Duggan was scum or not. It really didn't. All they needed was an excuse to pull the trigger. These are not brave hero's. They're just humans doing a job they REALLY enjoy. Shooting targets all day long, and hopefully the occasional person.

Unless Duggan was holding a gun, then they should be held accountable. The public deserves that protection, from these armed numpties. If you shoot someone that's not actually carrying, at the very least you'll lose your job and possibly be convicted. Rest assured none of these brave hero's will ever get shot themselves. The odds are already way too much in their favor.
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And therefore the gun would still be there in the same way it was at the scene but 20ft away, either way he had a gun which backed up the intel they had received which is what they were acting on and why they didn't take any chances.
You're grasping at straws.
 
thedoc46 said:
It didn't matter if Duggan was scum or not. It really didn't. All they needed was an excuse to pull the trigger. These are not brave hero's. They're just humans doing a job they REALLY enjoy. Shooting targets all day long, and hopefully the occasional person.
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How many people have the armed police shot and killed in the last ten years? I'll give you a clue, it's a very small number, especially when put in the context of how many times armed police are called out. So really, your claim the police are trigger happy holds no weight.

Drug dealers on the other hand, we'll they've killed many times more than the police.
 
thedoc46 said:
It didn't matter if Duggan was scum or not. It really didn't. All they needed was an excuse to pull the trigger. These are not brave hero's. They're just humans doing a job they REALLY enjoy. Shooting targets all day long, and hopefully the occasional person.
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Firearms officers don't want to kill people. Most hope they don't need to fire a shot in anger. The culture in AFOs isn't what you think it is.
 
thedoc46 said:
With video surveillance of one policeman v...whatever, going into the minicab, retrieving something, then disappearing round to that vicinity. I wouldn't be surprised if it was planted.

The Police in all their force, acted as if he was coming out for a gun fight. The reality was he probably realised he was getting pulled, and as any street smart drug dealer would do, was he thought s*^% I need to ditch this gun pronto.. Shoved it under the seat, came out to surrender, boom. Dodgy cop probably realized oops that's a mobile not a gun, quickly better put one at the scene.

Thinking that the Police do not look out for themselves in naive. They're power trippy people who do that job for a reason. They want to be powerful and controlling, and as soon as they get in the armed unit, they feel even more powerful that they now have the power and ability to take someone's life.

It didn't matter if Duggan was scum or not. It really didn't. All they needed was an excuse to pull the trigger. These are not brave hero's. They're just humans doing a job they REALLY enjoy. Shooting targets all day long, and hopefully the occasional person.

Unless Duggan was holding a gun, then they should be held accountable. The public deserves that protection, from these armed numpties. If you shoot someone that's not actually carrying, at the very least you'll lose your job and possibly be convicted. Rest assured none of these brave hero's will ever get shot themselves. The odds are already way too much in their favor.
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First of all lmao at your ridiculous claims of trigger happy corrupt police planting evidence and wanting to shoot people, you are clearly just another idiotic police hater, probably a criminal yourself as that's really the only real reason to hate the police.

Police are allowed to shoot somebody if they believe they pose a real threat and they are in danger, the police officer didn't know the Duggan had already thrown the gun, so from his perspective he was in the situation only knowing that he did have a gun at some point. He was fully in his right to shoot him if he believed he was a credible threat and was a danger to the officers and the public.

And yes Duggan is scum and quite frankly the world is a slightly better place now there is one less drug dealing gang member criminal around. The world would be a much better place if all people like him and his 'Tottenham Man dem' were not around tbh.
 
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reading something in the metro (yes i know) this morning and yet again like many other cases of scumbags getting on the wrong end of the law his mother is saying he was a family man and wouldnt do anything wrong.

so what were all the arrests for on murder, drugs and gun crime ?! just one of those things.

also speaking about his family and the rent a mob who seem to have latched on to this case i hope they will be charged for breach of the peace after smashing up the courtroom yesterday and hurling threats at the chief of the met while he was trying to give a news conference.
 
OldCoals said:
What is your point?
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No point as such, I have only scan read the thread, so I was wondering on what peoples take on that bit of evidence was

When I heard that on the radio last night, my first thought that he panicked and dumped the gun out of the window right before the taxi got stopped/stopped. The Police probably hadn't seen him do it and were still under the impression that he was armed with intent to use it.

I know he was 'known' to the Police, but how 'known'? Petty crimes or major drug king pin?

Its just with his family venomously trying to clear his name that makes me think that it was probably petty crimes (so they automatically think that the Police are "Out to get him") and he had become a runner for a drug gang or what ever and the Police were tailing him in the hope that he revealed the location of the 'bigger players' when they found out that he was in possession of a fire arm

I guess we will never know now. But I dont think that the Police were trigger happy or anything. The British Armed Police have to jump through a lot of hoops to justify why they took a shot, I dont think they would do it lightly - this is not America
 
thedoc46 said:
Unless Duggan was holding a gun, then they should be held accountable. The public deserves that protection, from these armed numpties. If you shoot someone that's not actually carrying, at the very least you'll lose your job and possibly be convicted. Rest assured none of these brave hero's will ever get shot themselves. The odds are already way too much in their favor.
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Yeah I remember whole Charles de Menezes issue few years ago when poor guy had a mag unload into the back of his head. Officers lying,Missing CCTV footage and in end the Metropolitan police (taxpayer) just ended up paying off the family to stop the legal battle.
 
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