Lawful killing of Mark Duggan

n111ck · 9 Jan 2014 at 20:06

Uther said:
And who doubts its not going to all kick off on Saturday during the 'peaceful protest'?

Depends whether it's cold and raining or not and possibly what's on telly. :rolleyes:

Footyslayer · 9 Jan 2014 at 20:19

So no riots last night but possibly some at the weekend?

n111ck · 9 Jan 2014 at 20:24

Footyslayer said:
So no riots last night but possibly some at the weekend?

If there are then hopefully V53 will be on duty...

Did the mini cab driver give evidence - not seen it mentioned. Surely he would have more insight than some choad hanging out of his council flat window?

RDM · 9 Jan 2014 at 20:26

n111ck said:
If there are then hopefully V53 will be on duty...

Did the mini cab driver give evidence - not seen it mentioned. Surely he would have more insight than some choad hanging out of his council flat window?

His concentration would probably be on the guys with guns that have just stopped it...

86JR · 9 Jan 2014 at 20:28

Going to put this out there: Good riddance. Police deserve a pat on the back. Had they arrested him he would have no doubt recieved a slap on the wrist and be out now ruining more lives with his drugs and shooting more people with his mates.

EDIT: before I get called racist: I would state that if he was black, white, yellow, pink, blue...the colour of his skin does not matter to me.

Nate75 · 9 Jan 2014 at 20:31

86JR said:
Good riddance

"andy" · 9 Jan 2014 at 20:32

=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
A well known criminal gets shot dead having been seen with a gun. Police do their job.

Worlds a better place.

is it ? riots ? increased police hatred ? 'police racism' brought back into the media spotlight ? whats better ?

anyway thats not how the legal system is supposed to work. for a reason!

n111ck · 9 Jan 2014 at 20:34

86JR said:
EDIT: before I get called racist: I would state that if he was black, white, yellow, pink, blue...the colour of his skin does not matter to me.

He is half caste though surely looking at his scummy mother so why do they keep going on about it being a black thing? :confused:

Mynight · 9 Jan 2014 at 20:35

Because if they weren't screaming racism there wouldn't be much of a story.

android guy · 9 Jan 2014 at 20:36

The guy was scum, who probably terrorized other people. He's better where he is.

Time to move on and forget this kind of scum

[TW]Fox · 9 Jan 2014 at 21:27

"andy" said:
Love the "he was scum anyway" type posts. Yea he probably was going by his friends and history....but surely thats for a jury to decide ? Not a trigger happy policeman.

Everyone deserves the right to a fair trial

It would seem you don't respect the decision of the jury in this case, so why would you go on to claim a jury should have decided if he was 'scum'?

diamount · 9 Jan 2014 at 21:27

android guy said:
The guy was scum, who probably terrorized other people. He's better where he is.

Time to move on and forget this kind of scum

You could be 'scum'. Doesn't mean you deserve to be killed.

Danthus · 9 Jan 2014 at 21:47

The Metropolitan Police Commissioner has praised the "very dignified way" Mark Duggan's family has responded to the inquest conclusion.

On Wednesday, a jury concluded Mr Duggan was lawfully killed when he was shot dead by police in August 2011, sparking riots in many English cities.

Mark Duggan's aunt Carole Duggan said the family will fight the jury's decision "through the courts".

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said: "They deserve our praise".

Why do they deserve our praise given the verbal abuse that was hurled at the jury?

BunnyKillBot · 9 Jan 2014 at 21:48

RDM said:
Didn't the other two want an open verdict? So none of the jurors declared it to be an unlawful killing.

n111ck said:
Those 2 couldn't decide - none of them thought the death was unlawful.

grumpysculler said:
No, but unanimity isn't required. In any case, the 20% wanted an open verdict. There was 0% support for unlawful killing which is the verdict everyone complaining seems to want.

Hello Jumpy McJumpersons.

To quote myself

BunnyKillBot said:
2 of those Jury didn't agree

Never mentioned unlawful did I. Just pointing out 20% of the Jury didn't agree

And obviously there is a big difference between 'lawful killing' and 'open verdict'. But of course. We must all agree with what you have to say. Because you are on the internet. And must be right.

Mr Badger · 9 Jan 2014 at 21:51

Footyslayer said:
So no riots last night but possibly some at the weekend?

Why, are you looking for a new TV or something?

Robbo · 9 Jan 2014 at 21:59

It saddens me that some people are so desperate to shift all the blame onto the police. They did their job, and ended up shooting someone who probably would have gone on to harm people in the future - almost certainly. They believed he posed a credible threat and I very much doubt Mr Duggan did anything to show them otherwise, being the wannabe gangster he so clearly was.

The police can't win either way, these same people will always complain and blame them. I'm very happy the killing has been ruled lawful, because it was. No tin foil hat nutcase is going to change that.

diamount · 9 Jan 2014 at 22:05

Robbo said:
It saddens me that some people are so desperate to shift all the blame onto the police. They did their job, and ended up shooting someone who probably would have gone on to harm people in the future - almost certainly. They believed he posed a credible threat and I very much doubt Mr Duggan did anything to show them otherwise, being the wannabe gangster he so clearly was.

The police can't win either way, these same people will always complain and blame them. I'm very happy the killing has been ruled lawful, because it was. No tin foil hat nutcase is going to change that.

Just like pushing an old man or putting 7 bullets in a restrained man's head. So threatening.

NeilF · 9 Jan 2014 at 22:06

Robbo said:
It saddens me that some people are so desperate to shift all the blame onto the police. They did their job, and ended up shooting someone who probably would have gone on to harm people in the future - almost certainly. They believed he posed a credible threat and I very much doubt Mr Duggan did anything to show them otherwise, being the wannabe gangster he so clearly was.

The police can't win either way, these same people will always complain and blame them. I'm very happy the killing has been ruled lawful, because it was. No tin foil hat nutcase is going to change that.

I concur. Some people have a tainted, unhealthy and frankly unrealistic view of things. They would rather believe that a group of highly trained police officers have some malicious murderous agenda instead of the fact they simply honestly perceived a true risk, so shot him.

Add to this they then suggest they know better than the jury who have access to far more information than they do.

Bizarre!

NeilF · 9 Jan 2014 at 22:07

Mr Badger said:
Why, are you looking for a new TV or something?

LOL! Nice!

Robbo · 9 Jan 2014 at 22:09

NeilFawcett said:
I concur. Some people have a tainted, unhealthy and frankly unrealistic view of things. They would rather believe that a group of highly trained police officers have some malicious murderous agenda instead of the fact they simply honestly perceived a true risk, so shot him.

Add to this they then suggest they know better than the jury who have access to far more information than they do.

Bizarre!

Exactly, it's very strange.