Lawful killing of Mark Duggan

Burnsy2023 said:
The Police as in all 130,000 individuals?
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As a met officer said "It was death by a thousand **** ups" two big cases and the cops covered their ass by telling porkies in court.

I'm just waiting for the normal "we know there was mistakes and we will learn from then" for ******* millionth time :mad:

Make that 3 as that cop got caught out when that guy died in London.
 
deuse said:
As a met officer said "It was death by a thousand **** ups" two big cases and the cops covered their ass by telling porkies in court.

I'm just waiting for the normal "we know there was mistakes and we will learn from then" for ******* millionth time :mad:

Make that 3 as that cop got caught out when that guy died in London.
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I'd also like to mention there are 43 forces in the UK and all are different from the Met and each other. The culture in the Met is very different to Hampshire.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Based on what exactly? People act in a threatening manner to armed police all the time, sometimes they want to get shot due to MH issues, sometimes they're off their face on drugs and sometimes they simply don't care. The fact that so few are shot is a testament to the training of the officers who are armed.
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Do you have any reason to believe Duggan had MH issues or was off his face or didn't care?

Duggan knew he was being followed. He sent a message via the encrypted BlackBerry Messenger system: "Trident have jammed me" and correctly identified a Green VW van, which was tailing his cab, as belonging to the Trident unit.
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Burnsy2023 said:
No, just highlighting your comment is baseless and that people do many things that when your sat on the internet don't make a huge amount of sense.
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Baseless, really? I'll post this again...

Duggan knew he was being followed. He sent a message via the encrypted BlackBerry Messenger system: "Trident have jammed me" and correctly identified a Green VW van, which was tailing his cab, as belonging to the Trident unit.
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/08/mark-duggan-death-london-riots

Does that really sound like someone who wants to get shot, or has MH issues or off their face on drugs?

Why are you so quick to assume that he must've done something to give them a reason, and not that the police were maybe a bit too eager?
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I'd also like to mention there are 43 forces in the UK and all are different from the Met and each other. The culture in the Met is very different to Hampshire.
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Stop living in your police larper world dude.

"IPCC investigates allegation Hampshire police chief lied over where he lives"
"Samantha Dunlop of Hampshire Constabulary was proven to be a liar"

"Dunlop’s tell lies to ISP’s in an attempt to remove the published truth about them"

That's the first two I came across so not so good as you think ;)
And I can't be arsed to find more but there are.
 
deuse said:
Stop living in your police larper world dude.
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You do realise every time you brandish the term "larper," you don't gain credibility, but lose it?

If you're trying to make a rational, considered point, leveling such terms at people doesn't help. Just makes you sound sarcastic.
 
deuse said:
Stop living in your police larper world dude.

"IPCC investigates allegation Hampshire police chief lied over where he lives"
"Samantha Dunlop of Hampshire Constabulary was proven to be a liar"

"Dunlop’s tell lies to ISP’s in an attempt to remove the published truth about them"

That's the first two I came across so not so good as you think ;)
And I can't be arsed to find more but there are.
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Are you going to quote your sources?
 
NeilFawcett said:
You do realise every time you brandish the term "larper," you don't gain credibility, but lose it?

If you're trying to make a rational, considered point, leveling such terms at people doesn't help. Just makes you sound sarcastic.
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Are you a part time cop as well? sounds like it. I really don't car what people think I haven't got a inferiority complex.


ots3go said:
Are you going to quote your sources?
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Just google dude it's all there.
 
I don't see how the past of the victim is relevant to the case. They claim he was on pills but he probably just had mdma in his blood from a previous usage. There was no evidence that was presented that i am aware that he was actually on pills at the time, ie evidence of pills. All the police did was try to make out as if he was a bad person so that they could justify their actions. Whether he was a bad person or not is not the point. The point is whether the shooting was justified at the time and that is it.

They also said that he had attempted murder charges and murder charges in past 8 years and then someone else said that was incorrect he just had a drug and theft charges.

I thought it was odd when i heard he had murder charges in past 8 years, ie why was he not in jail if that was the case. I just thought there was a big attempt to make out as if he was a realy bad person in the press by the police.

Even the pdf in the OP, they asked questions that i thought were not relevant to the investigation. But that is often what the police do in these incidents is they don't ask the right questions in the investigation which leads to the verdict they want.
 
anything I don't mind said:
I don't see how the past of the victim is relevant to the case. They claim he was on pills but he probably just had mdma in his blood from a previous usage. There was no evidence that was presented that i am aware that he was actually on pills at the time, ie evidence of pills. All the police did was try to make out as if he was a bad person so that they could justify their actions. Whether he was a bad person or not is not the point. The point is whether the shooting was justified at the time and that is it.

They also said that he had attempted murder charges and murder charges in past 8 years and then someone else said that was incorrect he just had a drug and theft charges.

I thought it was odd when i heard he had murder charges in past 8 years, ie why was he not in jail if that was the case. I just thought there was a big attempt to make out as if he was a realy bad person in the press by the police.

Even the pdf in the OP, they asked questions that i thought were not relevant to the investigation. But that is often what the police do in these incidents is they don't ask the right questions in the investigation which leads to the verdict they want.
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But he had a gun. Why does he need to carry a gun around?
 
XeNoN89 said:
I thought it was a Live Action Role Player? :confused:
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That's what they call the part time cops around here :D

linktoinsanity said:
It's not the readers' responsibility to hunt for your sources. You've posted the statements, we need to see where you got them from, otherwise you are making them up for all we know.
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I better give them a link to insanity then..oh no...wait :D
 
leaskovski said:
But he had a gun. Why does he need to carry a gun around?
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I did not say that i think he was a nice person. I just said that what kind of person he was is not relevant to the case.

He most likely had a gun for protection. He was definitely involved with not nice people and someone he knew was recently killed and thought he was at risk as well. Well evidently he could not have expected protection from the police due to his background so what else is someone in that position meant to do to protect themselves. Ironically it was the police he needed protection against in the end any way.
 
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