How Close to the Sun?

This has got me thinking about a twist on the question.

The heat from the sun is caused by emitted electromagnetic radiation. Space is close to absolute zero. Suppose a heat shield existed which could stop all the radiation to protect a human behind it (like a black body or something) or deflect all the radiation.

In this situation then how close could a human get to the sun? Ie at what point would the suns heat be directly transferred via conduction or convection?

Energy is emitted from the sun in varying quantities across a large part of the electro magnetic spectrum obviously including high intensity visible light. If you wanted to protect yourself from getting burnt up with a shield which somehow deflects it all then you also wouldn't be able to see the sun so it would kinda defeat the objective a little...
 
OK, current technology in the sense of heat resistance etc - But use your imagination that we could fire a human toward the Sun in a ship that would only burn up once it go too close to the Sun itself.

How close could a human get to the Sun before it was too physically hot and we just burned alive? Could we get closer than Mercury for example?

Can we fire you into the sun? :p
 
Maybe a neutrino shield, to change the the energy into something else, maybe into something to power the shield, so the closer you get the more power would be needed, but as your using that energy for shield you get it for free (almost)
 
I expect that Cosmic Radiation (other than heat radiation) would kill a Human long before they got close enough that the heat from the sun was able to effectively penetrate any protections our current technology can provide.
 
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Oh the ironing.

Asking questions on a PC enthusiast forum and then READING the replies.

Must be a troll.

Im not a troll, im not proud of how I didnt learn certain subjects at school... that was just how I felt as a nipper and couldnt be bothered. It probably relates to me not reading books... I re-iterate, books, as I used to read comics, magazines etc and now obviously as the net has grown, forum posts.

Its the short sharp snippets of info that stick, if I try and read a book, I get bored within a page... fictional or fact.
 
I expect that Cosmic Radiation (other than heat radiation) would kill a Human long before they got close enough that the heat from the sun was able to effectively penetrate any protections our current technology can provide.

Without a doubt.

Many people forget that Cosmic Radiation (solar particles too) impact with our atmosphere constantly. These ultra-high energy collisions create what people have coined 'cosmic rays' (despite being muon particles) which pass straight through the planet and us. Chances of collisions with us are very rare, but if they did occur, this could go some way to explaining evolution/mutation.
 
I still say hijacking a moon or large asteroid would be the best way to bubble yourself close to the sun.

What protection could you possibly bring into space more effective than kilometres of rock.
 
Interestingly, the Solar Corona is hotter than the surface of the sun by a few hundred Kelvin - something which is not quite understood yet - so if one could get past the Corona, then they could technically get to the surface of the Sun. However, the intense radiation (and we're talking not just Visible/IR but UV and X-Ray here) as you get closer to the sun is something that our current technology wouldn't be able to cope with.

Remember that EM radiation intensity falls off as a function of 1/r^2 (inverse-square-law), so at a a distance of 1AU (roughly 1.5x10^{11} m) we are in a comfortable position - however every time you halve the distance to the Sun (in your space station), you receive 4 times as intense radiation. With this intensity-distance relationship, it is easy to see that once you start getting within just a few thousand kilometres of the Sun, things start to go badly for your health!

In-fact, a quick calculation shows that when you are 1500km from the Sun the intensity of radiation that you receive is approximately 1x10^{10} (i.e. 10 billion) times the amount you receive here on Earth. That is something which our current technology cannot really cope with, and would fry you pretty quickly.
 
Im not a troll, im not proud of how I didnt learn certain subjects at school... that was just how I felt as a nipper and couldnt be bothered. It probably relates to me not reading books... I re-iterate, books, as I used to read comics, magazines etc and now obviously as the net has grown, forum posts.

Its the short sharp snippets of info that stick, if I try and read a book, I get bored within a page... fictional or fact.

You could probably increase your knowledge about space 10 fold by simply watching the film mavity.
 
This has got me thinking about a twist on the question.

The heat from the sun is caused by emitted electromagnetic radiation. Space is close to absolute zero. Suppose a heat shield existed which could stop all the radiation to protect a human behind it (like a black body or something) or deflect all the radiation.

In this situation then how close could a human get to the sun? Ie at what point would the suns heat be directly transferred via conduction or convection?

When there was matter for the conduction or convection. The shield you're talking about would have to be implausibly effective because of the levels of radiation involved (we're only here now because the Earth is very strongly shielded) and it would almost certainly be impervious to matter as well. It would have to be, since it must also protect against all the charged particles as well or your hypothetical human would be dead long before. So with this perfect shield in front of them, they'd have to be very slightly inside the sun to get instablasted by the conducted heat.

It's deadly outside the protection the Earth gives. If we ever do build a base on the moon or on Mars, it will almost certainly be underground because the surface is baked and frozen and irradiated. Spacesuits are a marvel of protection from several ways the universe will kill you.
 
I still say hijacking a moon or large asteroid would be the best way to bubble yourself close to the sun.

What protection could you possibly bring into space more effective than kilometres of rock.

Large gravitational bodies exert mavity on each other - the resultant effect is what is known as the 'roche limit' which defines the proximity in which a lesser orbital body can go to before being torn apart by gravitational and tidal forces.

You'd find that the Moon would likely be ripped asunder due to it's larger mavity and potentially delicate structure (it isn't condensed rock, it is full of fissures, caverns and has it's own geological/seismological stability issues with radioactive isotopes decaying etc). Same goes for Asteroids too.

Other Moons are a different proposition entirely depending upon their construction and composition.
 
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The science used to contain a fusion reaction could surely be used to protect you from the harmful effects of the sun? Or am I being retarded?
 
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