As do I. Read my reply.
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As do I. Read my reply.
Quite so and on those grounds it ought to be quite easy to design a study to determine, once and for fall, whether it worked and what it worked for? Placebo being a blanket term expression for the most part.
Interesting link here: http://www.acupuncturedoc.com/scientif.htm
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...and neck pain, along with working the big toe, its body sensory overlap, quite well documented, like rubbing a sore spot makes it feels less sore, or scratching an itch on the opposite side to where your plaster cast is, it tends to help as you confuse your own senses.
That's certainly the thumb pressure point and big toes one, some would call it part of reflexology, some call it distraction. Whatever works.
But how could acupuncture help? How can it physically remove a knot in the muscle?
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I had no expectations either way, however it was administered by a registered physiotherapist which could have swayed my judgement (conscious or otherwise).
I find it more interesting that the body can heal itself based on nothing more than the power of suggestion.
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Had five sessions so far and it's the only thing that has given me any relief
I have tendinitis in my elbow and toes. Had problems with my achilles also but it was resolved with exercises
I have tendinitis in my elbow and toes. Had problems with my achilles also but it was resolved with exercises
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This demonstrates the fundamental misunderstanding of basic biology which leads people to believe this nonsense.
I think it's worse than that. They had put some thought into it and had a superficial explanation. Ignorant and wrong, but something. In my experience, most people who believe in acupuncture have no idea why they do. It's an act of faith, devoid of thought and reason. It's old and Chinese, therefore it's magic wisdom.
Personally I went in to in with an open mind but leaning on the sceptical side, as for a misunderstanding of basic biology, rather than the flippant comment hows about an actual explanation, if someone puts those slender tone things on electrical impulses trigger muscle's, yet your saying needles in certain places wont have have an effect, and someone that thinks they will has a fundamental misunderstanding of basic biology?!
Sign me up!
If you inserted needles into muscles and ran a current through them, then yes it would have an effect. It would cause the muscles to contract. But that's not what happens with acupuncture and it wouldn't have the claimed effect anyway.
In any case, they said that a specific line of argument showed a fundamental misunderstanding of basic biology, namely that the human body is an electrical circuit and temporarily inserting conductors into it will cure various medical problems for some inexplicable reason even though those conductors are not connected to anything and therefore wouldn't be conducting any electricty even if the human body was a standard electrical circuit (which it isn't). Electricity always follows the path of least resistance, which would be through the cross-section of the needle. One wrong premise, one missing premise and an unconnected conclusion - that does indeed show a fundamental misunderstanding (of biology, electricity and logic).
If you think acupuncture works for magical reasons, well, OK, that's part of your faith and since it's not rational or based on evidence then there's no counter-argument.
If you put forward an argument to claim that acupuncture works and there's a natural, rational reason why, then your argument is fair game.
I suppose it's possible that acupuncture might relieve pain by causing some nerve damage, maybe. Presumably temporary.
Thats not what I said though is it.
If you bridge two wires with a needle would that not create a short of sorts, that'd have an effect would it not?
I said nothing about magic, religion, faith or anything similar, not sure where you might have picked that up from, if you are going to have a discussion then might I suggest you read what I type, and reply directly to what I say, rather than a general, lightly related sweep on the subject..
Who said anything about argument, this was, as fair as I'm concerned a discussion, the word argument would suggest aggression and lack of reason fueled by personal motive and emotion.
All I did was ask if people had tried it, and if they had what they thought, so far I've had a few people say they tried it and it worked for them and then more people coming in, having not tried it and rubbished it as an idea having had no actual contact with it themselves..
Entirely possible, the needles could cause localised swelling which traps nerves or blocks signals etc, I dont know, all I know is that after 3 sessions I have noticed improvement that I can feel and that someone else can also feel, for me its circulation in the hip, to me it feels warmer and I dont get that cold bone sort of feeling that I used to get year round, I've also had someone else put a hand on my hip and note that its not as cold as usual.
Just because you dont know how or why something works doesnt mean that it doesnt work.
There are people on here that have rubbished accupuncture as an idea because they havent tried it and dont understand it, yet they quite happily drive around in a car when they dont understand how it works....
ASMR, in my experience. Given all most "knots" are is tension.
The problem with accupuncture is not that we don't understand how it works. The problem is it doesn't work, it is a placebo.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...ionid=C79A6D511F86045572133B3F14CBDA5E.f01t03
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769056/
ASMR?
I dont think knots are a physical knot like you would get in a piece of rope, more a build up of lactic (not sure if its lactic but its some acid you get in muscles lol) acid or where muscles fibers contract and dont relax, given those fibers are very small then a needle being used to interupt the nerve signal in one way or another would go some way to explain why it works would it not?
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I'm sure acupuncture works for some people (Placebo or otherwise), but I do not understand the reasoning behind this. As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't work.
Next time somebody goes for acupuncture just imagine lots of sharp needles being pressed into your skin like knives and razors and get back to us whether it was comfortable or not.
Next time somebody goes for acupuncture just imagine lots of sharp needles being pressed into your skin like knives and razors and get back to us whether it was comfortable or not.