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Mr Badger

Mr Badger

Mr Badger

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Hopefully someone can add a credible link from the Daily Fail for verification, but according to the BBC "Up to two million people in England could be eligible for weight loss surgery, experts say."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25766253

Now I can understand that due to some sort of genuine medical condition (physical or mental) there may be some people that have no other option than a surgical intervention to control their excessive weight. But aside from the argument in the article that the procedure is more cost effective in the long run, I can't really get my head around the idea that two million people in the UK "need" a major operation to stop them eating too much...
 
For the morbidly obese, in my opinion it is a mental condition and the reason people can't control eating is they haven't accepted that.

Merely overweight, or even slightly obese - might be or they just don't care about physical appearance or fitness.
 
About a year and a half ago I got diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, I stopped eating sugar or sugary things that day and eating or drinking pounds of vegetables a day, mainly juiced, lightly steamed or raw i've lost an embarrassing 4.5 stone and feel great. After a shock 6 week 900 calories a day diet at the beggining based on some studies done at Newcastle university in fighting diabetes i've showed no further signes of diabetes since in my many tests.
 
thep02 said:
About a year and a half ago I got diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, I stopped eating sugar or sugary things that day and eating or drinking pounds of vegetables a day, mainly juiced, lightly steamed or raw i've lost an embarrassing 4.5 stone and feel great. After a shock 6 week 900 calories a day diet at the beggining based on some studies done at Newcastle university in fighting diabetes i've showed no further signes of diabetes since in my many tests.
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Well done. Did they try and tempt you with some surgery as an option or was it just a case of take this medication or change your lifestyle?
 
Mr Badger said:
Well done. Did they try and tempt you with some surgery as an option or was it just a case of take this medication or change your lifestyle?
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I went to the Dr because of a symptom that prompted him to do a blood sugar test finger ***** as a result of this he arranged for me to do a fasting test after which he rang me and told me not to eat sugar and some appointments were being made for me, I went to those and got the shocking news of all the connotations of not changing my lifestyle.

I went home and while researching diabetes diets I came across the Newcastle studies so using my iron self control I gave up sugar and processed carbs and went on the 900 cal diet which worked, my nurses and Dr's were all its web nonsense I said it's profs at Newcastle uni and this will be NHS doctrine within 3 years for financial reasons alone, I was proved right.
 
I just sort of accept my weight.

I mean I know guys who sit on the sofa stuffing junk food in their mouth, never do anything to look after their body, don't eat fruit and veg. Yet they're skinny as a rake.

I eat a healthy nutritious diet, don't snack, get all me fruit and veg, walk to work and back every day and excercise 3 times a week (weights) but I never lose a stone of my gut. Used to think my downfall was beer but I don't drink beer any more, drink mostly red wine or gin (in moderation) and it makes no difference. Only time I was ever without a beer belly I was doing high intensity weight training for at least an hour 7 days a week and only eating 2 balanced meals a day, people told me I looked ill as **** so I just packed it in, went back to moderate exercise and put all the weight back on.

Way I see it, it's all about body types, provided you live healthily then who gives a toss?
 
Moses said:
The Newcastle Diet came to mind as I started reading you post, but then you said you've tried it/used it :p. So are you technically not diabetic anymore... or are you still classed as diabetic by the doctor, even though you're not exhibiting the symptoms?

Congrats on sticking with such a diet for six weeks, though... it can't have been easy! Isn't the Newcastle Diet eight weeks on 600cals + 200 from veg/day, though? Weren't you tempted to do that whole period?
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I'm classed as diabetic for a long period of time after showing no symptoms iirc 5 years before I can be re categorised. Re the newcastle diet this was abt 2 years ago and the details were harder to find at the time and I don't think it was settled however it was obvious what was happening the false starvation was making the body use all reserves including the fat strangling my pancreas and liver so I did the best I could do after reading the bits I could find on't web. Tbh it wasn't that hard, who wants to lose legs or die for a cake, I use stevia to sweeten coffee and occasionally my bran porridge and have the odd bit of 90+% chocolate.
 
I think it's about time people accepted that the low fat mantra that the government are pushing, just isn't working. People don't know what they're supposed to eat anymore. The main problem is the amount of sugar in our diets, and processed foods. I know so many people who seem surprised that they're fat but who drink diet coke etc, all this diet food is rubbish, just full of chemicals.
They should stop counting the people who need surgery and put the money into proper research and information. And cut down on the amount of sugar and trans fats allowed in food. Other countries, like Denmark have banned trans fats and their heart disease rates have been cut by something like 50%.
 
Surgery should be available for those that genuinely need it, but the fact that up to 2 million people are potentially eligible is insane. I'm a bit concerned that people will just see it as an easy option though.

IMO:

-People need to take responsibility for what they're eating and stop being lazy ****s.
-People need to be prepared to pay money for decent food (IIRC recent studies show spending on food as a proportion of income is at an all time low) instead of frittering away cash on booze, cigarettes and scratchcards.
-People need to understand that being fat is a VERY BAD THING and reverse the culture of gluttony being acceptable.
-Someone needs to advise the government to ensure that nutritional education is relevant and not based on rubbish like low fat = good
 
More education is needed, it't not just reducing fat sugar and salt.

We need to be teaching kids in schools not just what to eat, but how to cook it. Most people I know only know to boil veg. That looses half the nutrients and is totally tasteless, its no wonder they end up eating so much processed stuff.
 
Scientist need to work out how to use fat as a fuel source for cars or electronics and we could start mining the lardos :D

MW
 
Don't push the dying aspect the constant niggles of false teeth and being an amputee should be pushed or the organ destroying nature of diabetes should be pushed a hard or unattractive life is scarier than dying.
 
Telescopi said:
For the morbidly obese, in my opinion it is a mental condition and the reason people can't control eating is they haven't accepted that.

Merely overweight, or even slightly obese - might be or they just don't care about physical appearance or fitness.
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Agreed.

If it is the latter however, or people who have had it once, shouldn't be able to have it again.
 
pitchfork said:
I just sort of accept my weight.

I mean I know guys who sit on the sofa stuffing junk food in their mouth, never do anything to look after their body, don't eat fruit and veg. Yet they're skinny as a rake.

I eat a healthy nutritious diet, don't snack, get all me fruit and veg, walk to work and back every day and excercise 3 times a week (weights) but I never lose a stone of my gut. Used to think my downfall was beer but I don't drink beer any more, drink mostly red wine or gin (in moderation) and it makes no difference. Only time I was ever without a beer belly I was doing high intensity weight training for at least an hour 7 days a week and only eating 2 balanced meals a day, people told me I looked ill as **** so I just packed it in, went back to moderate exercise and put all the weight back on.

Way I see it, it's all about body types, provided you live healthily then who gives a toss?
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People's metabolism are all roughly alike, however, as one starts to skew towards one way (either anorexic or obese) your hormonal balance/profile changes and it becomes more difficult to overcome those to get back into a decent balance.

However if you did want to lose your belly, you could, you're just obviously not as active as you were and still eating too much for your body's ability to use.

However that said, you could still be fit - I used to play squash with some rather large gents and they could run around the court for 45 mins without slowing down once. The issue was their diet, and the fact their hormonal balance was skewed towards storing fat.

Though you said you're happy, so keep doing what you do :)
 
pitchfork said:
I just sort of accept my weight.

I mean I know guys who sit on the sofa stuffing junk food in their mouth, never do anything to look after their body, don't eat fruit and veg. Yet they're skinny as a rake.

I eat a healthy nutritious diet, don't snack, get all me fruit and veg, walk to work and back every day and excercise 3 times a week (weights) but I never lose a stone of my gut. Used to think my downfall was beer but I don't drink beer any more, drink mostly red wine or gin (in moderation) and it makes no difference. Only time I was ever without a beer belly I was doing high intensity weight training for at least an hour 7 days a week and only eating 2 balanced meals a day, people told me I looked ill as **** so I just packed it in, went back to moderate exercise and put all the weight back on.

Way I see it, it's all about body types, provided you live healthily then who gives a toss?
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You could just eat a little less, you're not a scientific marvel.
 
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