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Its very difficult to watch because its like being slapped in the balls by a copy of the daily mail. You just have to suck it up and laugh it off.
Oh dear, the benefit scroungers are scared!
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I think that's why they used the word 'effective', and I can see where they are coming from.
Ultimately it comes down to whether you can derive value from working each day vs. having the day to yourself. And if that job is cleaning part time for £20 a week then there's only so much value you can derive from it.
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Irresponsible program by irresponsible media twisting things for ratings. For every scroungers there are a dozen who genuinely need support.
Nice to see the general UK population living up to its reputation as well educated decent people though.
While I do agree with most of the sentiment, the article seems oblivious to the fact that the program was designed to incite the population - not progress a method of resolving the benefit trap.
People don't want away thinking of ways of making work pay as a result of watching that kind of tosh, more than likely you see people suggesting short-sighted ideological changes without adhering to the reality of the situation.
I do agree we need to look at poverty as a society, but this kind of thing only erodes empathy for the millions in similar situations who are more palatable to the average daily mail reader (non criminals).
Indeed,
It's sad, because from the kind of stupid things being posted around the internet (I hear in the office etc) - some people actually think that every single person in benefits is like that (ignoring the fact that a vast majority of benefits go to pensioners & working people via tax credits/child benefit).
Of course some people play the system, yes this needs to be resolved - but mindless public rage (it seems it's the flavour of the season) isn't going to solve this problem.
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Well they aren't taxing you at 91% though are they?
They are taxing you for what you earn and taking away the benefits. That newspaper report is as inaccurate and wildly misleading as benefits street except its trying to stir up the lefty intellectuals into firing off a snide email.
Dear me its a close call which is worse.
The image is cropped - I have a lot of business related bookmarks in the toolbar that are private. I am not browsing in full screen.
Is there any other criticism of me you would like to voice whilst we are on the subject?
Some idiot tabloid said:
Another way to look at this is, is she was to get off her arse and do some work like the rest of us, she would be £20 better off each week and the taxpayer would be £70 better off each week.
It really irritates me when they factor in the benefits cuts to the wage. Not to mention that if she can get a job as a cleaner, then she should - its not meant to be an option, its meant to be support for people that NEED it.
Everyone? Name a country and show me EVERYONE doing fine
Not everyone is a scrounger, but a lot of people are, like those drinking on street corners. People who have disabilities should be on benefits or helped while in work!
Actually I'm out, this thread could turn argumentative
Such as?
Edit: Actually, balls to it. You know full well that most of the stuff you post on this subject is made up tripe said to get a reaction. I can't be bothered calling you out on it any more. Maybe if you're ignored then you'll go away.
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Thats typical of modern TV. I work in the Heath Hospital in Cardiff and the BBC did a series there and other than being incredibly rude and downright offensive when told they couldn't have access to certain areas they also made the whole place to seem like a brilliant establishment that was highly efficient. They were also made to pass footage to the managers who then decided to cut certain stuff.
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The systems probably been built to trap the vulnerable anyway
What a disingenuous statement.
Of course the outcome is different. It is not a universal right to your life funded for free until you die by the tex payer. You come off benefits and start living like a normal person, they may well not want too and may not be vastly better off but that's the life the rest of us live with so get on with it.
You could argue its a fault with the system but its not, unless its a fault paying benefits in the first place to such an extent that someone can life as comfortably as if they are employed.
I truly despair at times.
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Firstly the benefits are too high. Or there should be levies in place to make getting in to work more appealing. Also, there is no drive with these people. You may be worse off now or not better off, but what about potential job prospects in the future? Climbing the ladder and more importantly setting an example for your kids!!
That's my point though. To the people faced with making the decision it's between whether they go out and work for £20 extra a week or not, because that's the outcome as far as it affects them. It doesn't matter if the money comes from the employer or the state, it's still money.
A lot of people are quick to say that in the same situation they would be straight out to work because they have some pride left or because if they cleaned a floor hard enough they can see the prospects of a promotion. The people in this situation can't pay bills with pride, and prospects aren't exactly something they are used to.
I'm not defending the situation at all, but if you're going to be angry then directing it at the people caught up in it is a waste of your breath.
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