Oh dear, the benefit scroungers are scared!

86JR said:
Last summer I mowed 5 elderly peoples lawns every week, for free. The same 5 peoples, 2 lawns, strimming and clearing took me an hour ish give or take, that's 5 hours per week of manual labor...why? Because these are pensioners who have worked their whole lives and can't really afford to pay someone £30 to do it for them. So I did it. Now maybe that makes me scum as I am taking away a £30 hour job that anyone on benefits could do (but they can't be bothered so the point is moot).

The Christmas before last I donated 800 childrens books to charity. I didn't do this as a tax break, I paid their cost to my own company out of my own bank account, didn't claim it back as any form of expense before you assume.
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How do you know they worked their whole lives? Have they told you about every year of their working lives?

What if they had 2 years off during their working life to claim dole? Does that make them benefit scroungers or is that ok because they are old?

£5bn spent on working age benefits....£50bn spent on pensions.

The £50bn will never be looked at because they are more likely to vote than the people that claim the £5bn, the sums don't add up but nobody will take on pensioners because the WILL vote.

Yet somehow amongst all these cuts we find the money to increase pensions for people claiming now but cannot find the heart to let a single working parent with children have a spare room.
 
86JR said:
There is no tax dodging system that enables you to pay 0% tax.

So let me get this straight... because a few people claim silly amounts of benefits, I am supposed to blame people who pay over 40% tax for this? Your logic astounds me...what astounds me more is people actually believe this logic!

There are schemes that allow you to pay say, 13% tax (like Jimmy Carr) but when you think of it, 13% of a few million a year is a lot more paid tax than what....0% paid by people on benefits (who have the audacity to complain about council tax!)
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Your anger is aimed at the wrong people. JSA cost the UK just under £5bn last year. Not long back, Vodafone alone were let off for £6bn of unpaid tax.

In 2008 the government bailed out the banks to the tune of £37bn. Nearly 7.5 times the cost of JSA. This was done by working people, but they were so bad at their job they have brought the country's (and beyond) economy to it's knees and we are still paying for it.

The absolute biggest problem is that minimum wage jobs do not pay a living wage. This is why we have child benefit and working tax credits. Even with those, there is often little to no monetary gain in working minimum wage jobs. Zero if, as you have suggested, people travel 20 miles to do it.

Minimum wage need to rise. That's the bottom line, if minimum wage paid an actual living wage the (minority) of people not looking for a job will look harder, as there is more money in it, and those already working will be on less benefits themselves so the total cost of benefits will drop.

Companies will not pay for that though.They just won't. Any increase in minimum wage will be met with increased cost of living and/or job losses, both of which means a higher benefits bill for the government. The companies will not let anything happen to their profit margins, regardless of the greater social and economic cost.

Anybody unmarried, without children, earning less that £6.67 an hour is cheap worker subsidised for his/her company by tax payers. So while you are angry at the unemployed buying a packet of fags, are you not bothered that even more of your tax money is being spent on boosting corporate profits?
 
matdom said:
Some people pay nothing but earn millions, your anger should be aimed at the rich and politicians of this country.
I would really like to see land tax imposed in this country and council tax abolished, its the only fair system that will never come into force in this country.
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em iirc the top 10% pay 95% of all income tax.

i dunno about you but that seems somewhat unfair doesn't it?
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
How is someone who gets £50-60 a week meant to find the money to start their own business?



Unlike you I actually help my local community by volunteering to pick up the crap people who are working throw out in their back alleys. I even volunteered to help clean up a local landmark which meant marching miles into the moors up a hill in bitterly cold weather to help paint it and get rid of graffiti.

I am not too good for any job, I would take anything at this moment. The last few interviews I went on they were up front and said there were hundreds of people applying for the job.

Funny how you think just because I am out of work and not finding thousands to start up my own company out of thin air that I am "sitting on my arse". Self righteous moron.
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Back tracked a bit as I have realised something...

You say you would take any job as you are on benefits at the moment, and you can't find any money to start your own business.

However a quick search of your threads and posts within the last few months reveals:

You spent £90 on a random phone here
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25553601&postcount=8188

You have a mobile phone contract that has another year to go:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18492934

You sold your PC, not to buy food but to buy an Apple Macbook instead:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18535585

You have ADSL subscription and are looking for fibre:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18548288

Now you want to buy a new PC to use just as a NAS, last month.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18562748

You want to sue your power company for an interruption
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18567289
Solicitor fee's are dreadful.

£75 on a new router last week:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18572576

Now that's a lot given that benefits are supposed to be what, £60 a week?

Obviously not suffering on benefits are we if we have money to spend on frivolus things like new PC's, Apple Mac's, routers, attached storage, and goodness knows whatever else you buy!

Ninja Edit: Buying a new monitor... must be £400+ at that resolution!
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25669618&postcount=278

Just wow.
 
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Tefal said:
yes she did.

Unless they don't provide state schooling in Britain any more.
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The state education system is currently a postcode lottery. Funding is unequal and deprived areas hit hardest.

It is a postcode lottery that only the middle/upper class can afford to get an upper hand in. Pretty much the opposite in social mobility.
 
86JR said:
Last summer I mowed 5 elderly peoples lawns every week, for free. The same 5 peoples, 2 lawns, strimming and clearing took me an hour ish give or take, that's 5 hours per week of manual labor...why? Because these are pensioners who have worked their whole lives and can't really afford to pay someone £30 to do it for them. So I did it. Now maybe that makes me scum as I am taking away a £30 hour job that anyone on benefits could do (but they can't be bothered so the point is moot).

The Christmas before last I donated 800 childrens books to charity. I didn't do this as a tax break, I paid their cost to my own company out of my own bank account, didn't claim it back as any form of expense before you assume.
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Wow, to be fair twoblacklines, thats bloody good of you.

I think that's quite changed my opinion on you actually, good man you should be proud.
 
Woden said:
The state education system is currently a postcode lottery. Funding is unequal and deprived areas hit hardest.

It is a postcode lottery that only the middle/upper class can afford to get an upper hand in. Pretty much the opposite in social mobility.
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so every single person from her school is now on benefits yeah?

or did maybe some actually work hard and succeed.
 
Well other than having a flat percentage that will financially cripple average earners I don't know how else to tax people. Banding it isn't ideal but it's better than the alternatives.
 
86JR said:
There is no tax dodging system that enables you to pay 0% tax.

So let me get this straight... because a few people claim silly amounts of benefits, I am supposed to blame people who pay over 40% tax for this? Your logic astounds me...what astounds me more is people actually believe this logic!

There are schemes that allow you to pay say, 13% tax (like Jimmy Carr) but when you think of it, 13% of a few million a year is a lot more paid tax than what....0% paid by people on benefits (who have the audacity to complain about council tax!)
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No tax is payable on UK gambling winnings. I derive my income from gambling and therefore have an effective tax rate of 0%. This is one of the reasons I took this career choice.
 
Caged said:
Well other than having a flat percentage that will financially cripple average earners I don't know how else to tax people. Banding it isn't ideal but it's better than the alternatives.
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oh yeah it works, some of the negative income tax systems look quite intersting, but i cant even comprehend how long it would tajke to set upo the infrastructure an get it working, would require multiple successive governments time to do properly then decades to ine tune.

but it's always funny how people blame the rich, when they do pay the vast majority of the tax.
 
86JR said:
Back tracked a bit as I have realised something...

You say you would take any job as you are on benefits at the moment, and you can't find any money to start your own business.

However a quick search of your threads and posts within the last few months reveals:

You spent £90 on a random phone here
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25553601&postcount=8188

You have a mobile phone contract that has another year to go:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18492934

You sold your PC, not to buy food but to buy an Apple Macbook instead:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18535585

You have ADSL subscription and are looking for fibre:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18548288

Now you want to buy a new PC to use just as a NAS, last month.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18562748

You want to sue your power company for an interruption
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18567289
Solicitor fee's are dreadful.

£75 on a new router last week:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18572576

Now that's a lot given that benefits are supposed to be what, £60 a week?

Obviously not suffering on benefits are we if we have money to spend on frivolus things like new PC's, Apple Mac's, routers, attached storage, and goodness knows whatever else you buy!

Ninja Edit: Buying a new monitor... must be £400+ at that resolution!
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25669618&postcount=278

Just wow.
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Ouch
 
Tefal said:
but it's always funny how people blame the rich, when they do pay the vast majority of the tax.
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You could also make the argument that by paying this tax they are investing in their ability to continue to do business in the UK - educating future employees, having their interests promoted overseas etc. They might not be direct users of anything that their taxes fund if all their medical procedures are pre-planned instead of A&E incidents and their kids might be privately educated, but they will definitely be reaping the rewards of a stable environment and the infrastructure in which to conduct business.
 
Tefal said:
oh yeah it works, some of the negative income tax systems look quite intersting, but i cant even comprehend how long it would tajke to set upo the infrastructure an get it working, would require multiple successive governments time to do properly then decades to ine tune.

but it's always funny how people blame the rich, when they do pay the vast majority of the tax.
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Because they can afford it. You take 40% of someone's £1m income, they will be fine. You take 40% from someone on minimum wage and they may have to turn to cannibalism to survive.

A flat tax rate would need a HUGE rise in minimum wage without companies then pushing up the cost of living to cover it.
 
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