Students -> Please help me, quick survey.
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What absolute tripe, you can't automate marking at all unless you're grading multiple choice questions.
You say it will aid in assessment, but not how, not in any tangible, meaningful way. I've had to mark and assess before, whatever way you spin it, you're looking to standardize something which isn't ever going to be standard.
And feedback should be requested, not a given, else it's a lot of wasted time.
You say it will aid in assessment, but not how, not in any tangible, meaningful way. I've had to mark and assess before, whatever way you spin it, you're looking to standardize something which isn't ever going to be standard.
And feedback should be requested, not a given, else it's a lot of wasted time.
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Based on years of expertise and scientific study? He was actually talking about semi-automated marking anyway, which could refer to a variety of different types of system which all rely on manual grading and feedback.
Well that's what he's trying to work out, isn't it? What students and staff want and therefore what the role of such a system could be.
How does that make sense?
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Thanks tres, much appreciated.
Crikey pitchfork, you seem to really have it in for my work. Regardless of the discussion about automated/semi-automated assessment, there is an awful lot of fully automated assessment which can take place. Asessment of the functionality of programming exercises (See CourseMarker, Higgins et al; Boss 2; GAME.. hell, even see Google CourseBuilder), or through testing such as xUnit. Automated assessment of diagrams, see Tsintsifas,2002 (http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~cah/pdf/azt-phd.pdf). So, please, if this is not your area don't jump to conclusions that it is "absolute tripe".
This is also where you are not entirely correct. I don't see a claim suggesting anything would be "standardized" (sic), the survey aims purely to find out exactly what students want, and this is also why it asks for discipline.
Feedback is one of the most important tools available for learning. There is so much literature to back that up that I won't even begin going there.
If you have such major problems with the idea of someone asking for a survey to be completed, or if your time is too valuable to be helpful (which you made clear in your opening comment), please feel free to ignore this thread.
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Busybody, there is literally nothing wrong with the current system of marking and feedback in academia.
The fact you exist annoys me greatly. Feedback can only be given effectively one to one and not everyone seeks it.
You can't mark academic work using anything other than a human brain, simple as - some things you can mark, but they aren't academic.
The fact you exist annoys me greatly. Feedback can only be given effectively one to one and not everyone seeks it.
You can't mark academic work using anything other than a human brain, simple as - some things you can mark, but they aren't academic.
Based on experience.
What could staff possibly want to change, aside from getting someone else to do all of the marking? Which you can't do with a robot unless you're teaching a massively standardised course.
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Well thats not true really.
One of our lecturers would do two lots of feedback - personal, and a generic "as a group you failed at this, did well at this". It was useful to get an insight into the failings of your coursemates even if you personally did it right.
Essay, or proof based work cannot be marked automatically, but there are plenty of situations where automated marking can work.
Functional Maths (non-proof) comes to mind as the most obvious - which is relevant to all the sciences.
Lots of computer code can be automaticaly assessed for basic functionality testing, freeing the marker to just look at the quality of the code.
I'm sure other examples exist too.
Btw I filled in the survey yesterday.
I am going to have to seriously disagree with that statement.
Implying, I suppose, that "the current system" is the same everywhere and always delivered to the same standards? Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?
Irrelevant. Students are welcome to ignore their feedback. Most won't. Are you suggesting that some kind of opt-out should be created for those who don't want feedback? Why bother giving them grades at all then? Or a qualification?
What/whose point are you arguing here? I'm sure we'd all agree. Who has said otherwise?
What experience? Extensive study of different institutions and academic practices, or just your soapbox?
One answer: giving better feedback = happier, more satisfied, and higher-achieving students. This is better for the institution, and the better an institution, the higher the reputation and reward for staff working there.
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The student satisfaction surveys, since feedback has been, and still is, one of the lowest scoring areas. Perhaps you are of the view that staff do not care much for student satisfaction, personally I believe they do, but perhaps that is your view.
Why are students less satisfied with their feedback than other areas of their degree, for example lecturing?
I also notice you gracefully evaded most of the points I raised about your last post being wrong.
Derpy derp.. ummm... sorry.
. Please try to be less angry at the world around you.
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Thanks, I really appreciate it.
The issue with feedback at my university (or at least department) is ridiculous.
We have a terrible score for feedback as a department, and why? Because students can't be bothered to try.
We get marks back for our work, we get comments. If you want more than that, go and have a meeting with the lecturer. They have time set aside for this and it is barely used. If you are giving a bad feedback rating, and haven't amde the effort to get the feedback, you're an idiot.
People want to put the responsibility of their performance onto others. It's a society wide thing that I absolutely hate. 'I was never taught how to manage money' 'I was never taught how to apply for jobs' 'I was never taught how to do well in an interview'.
Why should you be? It's your life. Your chance. Stop relying on being spoonfed info by others when you can go out there and learn it all easily. Take some responsibility for your choices and future.
Filled it in btw.
We have a terrible score for feedback as a department, and why? Because students can't be bothered to try.
We get marks back for our work, we get comments. If you want more than that, go and have a meeting with the lecturer. They have time set aside for this and it is barely used. If you are giving a bad feedback rating, and haven't amde the effort to get the feedback, you're an idiot.
People want to put the responsibility of their performance onto others. It's a society wide thing that I absolutely hate. 'I was never taught how to manage money' 'I was never taught how to apply for jobs' 'I was never taught how to do well in an interview'.
Why should you be? It's your life. Your chance. Stop relying on being spoonfed info by others when you can go out there and learn it all easily. Take some responsibility for your choices and future.
Filled it in btw.
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Survey done
Thanks
Haha, I have no idea if pitchfork was trolling or deadly serious. However I do assume he's totally serious though, I took a look at his last few posts and he seems like a perfectly normal and reasonable guy (Not a troll who goes round ruining threads). I assume he just had a different opinion, that's fine, questions and doubts are good, they will serve to help preparation for any reviews/viva that will have to be done. The only thing I really actually dislike is that he said my existence irritates him, I think that crosses a line that there was no need for. Not that i'm too bothered, but it transferred the argument from not believing in the area of work to not liking me.... *boo hoo*.