A ring wing muppet is someone who is at least three of the following:
- a nationalist;
- a social conservative;
- an eurosceptic;
- an anthropogenic climate change/evolution sceptic;
- a strict austerian;
- a free market zealot.
Oh dear, the benefit scroungers are scared!
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A ring wing muppet is someone who is at least three of the following:
- a nationalist;
- a social conservative;
- an eurosceptic;
- an anthropogenic climate change/evolution sceptic;
- a strict austerian;
- a free market zealot.
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Nobody is scared of them, we just don't like paying for them.
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Politicians waste your money left right and center on second homes, biscuits, portraits of themselves. Millionaires, Billionaires and Corporations avoid over £65bn worth of tax a year and you are whining about people on benefits which are there to support them when they lose their job?
Sure some people take the **** like all walks of life but you can't begrudge everyone benefits just because of a single digit percentage.
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I resent politicians wasting my money too.
And I'm not whining, unless you're using some definition of the word whining that hasn't ever been used before. Sounds like you're whining if I'm honest, boohoo the mean man doesn't like paying for other people.
Roads, bridges, police force, the military and many other things are taken for granted but they cost a lot of money, much more than the people who go through hardship and need a bit of help.
It seems that you dislike paying for other people but you're quite happy with other people paying for you.
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Oh ok, the silly arguments are coming out.
I pay enough tax that I feel fine taking advantage of public amenities. Those who don't and just take are the bad guys in this scenario, not contributors like me.
I don't have to like paying for someone else's bad choices, I have no idea why anyone would.
They're all more useful then the workshy, who are just a drain
I work. so i do pay tax (A LOT OF TAX) how are the work shy paying for me???
As usual the wet loony left think that we want complete shut down of the benefits system, we don't, we want it overhauled to stop the abuse. As elmarko mentioned, people who are the disabled, people made redundant, claimants with a full history of work etc deserve and should get full benefits.
Those that make it a lifestyle should have it yanked away and forced off there lazy backsides. Like White Dee from Benefits Street last night, she got £106 per week for depression!!!!!! The Benefits system is a disgrace and utterly broken.
Morning.
I did start my business with £10. Back then I was a soletrader, having sold all of my stuff, xbox 360, D300s, etc because £70 a week didn't cut it, I realised that I managed to sell £1500 of stuff in under 3 days. SO I went looking to see what I could buy and sell. I purchased jexo.co.uk and as I already had a webserver, used that for company email. I pre-sold 3 pallets of stock to a company, so I bought the stock using an overdraft and sold it the same day for 2x per pallet. The only reason my Mother and I actually bought stock at all was because we were offered 11k CD's for £3500, which seemed like too good an opportunity to miss. FWIW I have sold £4000 of those already, in actual fact all of our current stock is paid for in full.
It wasn't "mummies money" as I keep saying but people only choose to believe what they want to, that's your decision.
Yes I do live at home...why is it my right to live elsewhere on benefits?
I signed up to Remploy after 6 weeks on the dole as they told me they could actually help, they didnt let me read the documents I signed (just gave me the front sheet) so I didn't know they were going to try and take a percentage of a lifetimes income from me.
I hope that clears things up.
EDIT: One other thing, you say big corporations are to blame for not paying £6bn of taxes (Vodafone) but do they get away with paying taxes at all or did they pay say, £50bn in taxes and got let off £6bn?
Oh what a suprise. SO maybe instead of blaming corporations for loss of tax income you should blame Labour instead!
I did start my business with £10. Back then I was a soletrader, having sold all of my stuff, xbox 360, D300s, etc because £70 a week didn't cut it, I realised that I managed to sell £1500 of stuff in under 3 days. SO I went looking to see what I could buy and sell. I purchased jexo.co.uk and as I already had a webserver, used that for company email. I pre-sold 3 pallets of stock to a company, so I bought the stock using an overdraft and sold it the same day for 2x per pallet. The only reason my Mother and I actually bought stock at all was because we were offered 11k CD's for £3500, which seemed like too good an opportunity to miss. FWIW I have sold £4000 of those already, in actual fact all of our current stock is paid for in full.
It wasn't "mummies money" as I keep saying but people only choose to believe what they want to, that's your decision.
Yes I do live at home...why is it my right to live elsewhere on benefits?
I signed up to Remploy after 6 weeks on the dole as they told me they could actually help, they didnt let me read the documents I signed (just gave me the front sheet) so I didn't know they were going to try and take a percentage of a lifetimes income from me.
I hope that clears things up.
EDIT: One other thing, you say big corporations are to blame for not paying £6bn of taxes (Vodafone) but do they get away with paying taxes at all or did they pay say, £50bn in taxes and got let off £6bn?
Oh what a suprise. SO maybe instead of blaming corporations for loss of tax income you should blame Labour instead!
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Would you be willing to concede the point that it's much easier to take financial risks when you live at home with family & they are financially able to provide assistance if you require it? (which is evident by her willingness to provide assistance in purchasing that one off good deal for the stock).
Corporations are not innocent in the decisions made by political parties when lobbying & political donations are allowed, don't get me wrong - you are right about Labour making some terrible choices, but if we are going to be honest here - do you think the Conservatives would do the same?.
I'm not berating you for doing well in your endeavours, just would like an admittance that you are in-fact in a position of privilege based upon what you have said compared to many others in the UK.
Corporations are not innocent in the decisions made by political parties when lobbying & political donations are allowed, don't get me wrong - you are right about Labour making some terrible choices, but if we are going to be honest here - do you think the Conservatives would do the same?.
I'm not berating you for doing well in your endeavours, just would like an admittance that you are in-fact in a position of privilege based upon what you have said compared to many others in the UK.
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Yeah it probably is. But the point is that you have to take risks in life to succeed. Of course she is willing to provide assistance: she is a 50% director in the company which also means she gets 50% of the profit. If I were the only director but she was supplying the cash then I would see everyones point...but I am not.
As for jobseekers allowance, the sad thing was that I was 24, and up to the age of 25 you have to supply your parents incomes. Both are high which is why I only got £70 a week. They told me their income is too high and I should ask my parents for money so that the allocated money can go to someone else.... but my parents are on 40% tax rate so they already pay for everyone who is on benefits. And the job centre then expects them to pay me on top of that. So it seems the more tax your family pays the less you get when you need JSA, whereas people whos family have been on the dole generation after generation get the full payout + all these disability payouts that don't exist for them like "depression" "back pain" "knee pain" etc.
The system is corrupt!
As for jobseekers allowance, the sad thing was that I was 24, and up to the age of 25 you have to supply your parents incomes. Both are high which is why I only got £70 a week. They told me their income is too high and I should ask my parents for money so that the allocated money can go to someone else.... but my parents are on 40% tax rate so they already pay for everyone who is on benefits. And the job centre then expects them to pay me on top of that. So it seems the more tax your family pays the less you get when you need JSA, whereas people whos family have been on the dole generation after generation get the full payout + all these disability payouts that don't exist for them like "depression" "back pain" "knee pain" etc.
The system is corrupt!
By chasing a "i agree with you" or "you're right" you are entirely missing the point. If you can you need to change your circumstances to make you life better. I understand this takes a lot of willpower (it comes easy for me through) and for some it's a difficult concept to grasp. It may be easier to start up from home, so guess what, go back home! Yes some people don't have this option but a vast majority have living parents that they get on with. So that excuse wears a little thin.
See, it wasn't so hard was it.
Now accepting that, do you think that perhaps judging others who don't live in your exact situation by the same standard is somewhat unreasonable?.
Not everybody is able to go back home, some have children & families - others may not have parents who live in an area with worthwhile employment or any job opportunities.
You are also ignoring the fact that many small business ideas are niche by nature - there isn't enough demand to satiate hundreds of thousands of micro-suppliers, if everybody did it - it wouldn't be profitable.
You are correct on the aspect of willpower, I just disagree it's something a person can magically materialise on demand (it's existence in an individual is based on prior causal factors).
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It is their choice, as robgmun states, a lot of people have the option to move back to their parents but won't do out of pride or because they don't want to lose their lifestyle.
I think if that option is there then they shouldn't have a choice...why should society pay for their lifestyle when other people are forced to live at home and not given a free house?
Neither you nor me have any facts on wether people can or can't live in my situation.
FTR: I still have to pay keep which works out to more than it would cost to rent a bedsit, infact I could rent a 3 bedroom semi in Warrington for example for what I pay to live at home.
I think if that option is there then they shouldn't have a choice...why should society pay for their lifestyle when other people are forced to live at home and not given a free house?
Neither you nor me have any facts on wether people can or can't live in my situation.
FTR: I still have to pay keep which works out to more than it would cost to rent a bedsit, infact I could rent a 3 bedroom semi in Warrington for example for what I pay to live at home.
The problem is that what most people who are on the left, they want to throw money at the problem. That's been done for over 15 years now but all it's done is make the situation far far worse.
Dependency of benefits and mass immigration was promoted by the Labour party because they thought they could bribe the general population into voting Labour again and again. And the poor are now now sucked in to a cycle of dependency not just on benefits but on a party they know will keep the music playing. As they knew fully well that as soon as the Tory party got in that it was a matter of time before they pulled the needle of the record and ended the whole debacle as the house was already trashed.
Now where we have a entire generation of underclass that was a direct creation, on purpose, by new labour.
Dependency of benefits and mass immigration was promoted by the Labour party because they thought they could bribe the general population into voting Labour again and again. And the poor are now now sucked in to a cycle of dependency not just on benefits but on a party they know will keep the music playing. As they knew fully well that as soon as the Tory party got in that it was a matter of time before they pulled the needle of the record and ended the whole debacle as the house was already trashed.
Now where we have a entire generation of underclass that was a direct creation, on purpose, by new labour.
So your well off family would turf you out if you couldn't afford to pay & I assume they charged you this rent when you didn't have an income or were on JSA?.
A parent charging you 'rent' when you can afford it isn't the same as having to pay for the running costs of a home when you have no money because an individual has no parents or poor parents.
Why is it so hard for you to admit you have obvious advantages others do not?.
This is fallacious, the 'benefits generation' you speak of don't vote much at alll.
Labour support is most prominent within the field of skilled labour & manual labour (both working groups) along with the public sector, the benefits generation are not even politically engaged (which is why there needs are mostly ignored).
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Do you read the crap you write?
Parents should be forced to take their grown, adult children back in just because they lost their job?
Man you've got it easy, just wait till you grow up and go into the big bad world and don't have the safety net of your parents to catch your fall.
Yes and yes. They didn't charge me when I was at Uni. The day I graduated was the day they started. Why should they have to subsidise the benefit crowd with their taxes and then subsidise me as well?
Are you saying now that people on benefits don't vote? Are you serious?
Because the problems of the poor can't be put into a media friendly sized sound-bite of just 'blame Labour yo!'.
Both the main political parties (as a result of pandering to the rich) have failed to address the increasing poverty gap in the UK is the reality of the situation.
At all was perhaps a little strong a phrase reading back - the least politically engaged. (which you would know if you read the paragraph below on the same post where I said exactly that).
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Maybe that would give people incentive to find their own ways of earning money?
Why should society be forced to pay for people who have no job but live on their own with everything paid for by the state and therefore by society? People like you.