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Serious question for once, I'm on a project building apartments in London and we've signed up with BT for their fibre BB, we have dishes on the roofs for sat TV and it seems we have not installed any copper cable to the apartments for any traditional connections.

We've just found out that we are now, because we've signed up with BT and our project is one of their 'strategic sites that every Customer will have to stay with BT or anyone BT lets use their fibre which isn't Sky etc, this includes phones.

I'm no expert however can anyone give me an insight into what we have got ourselves into. Most of our advice has come from BT at an early stage and I feel we are restricting our Customer choice.

We have the possibility to retrofit copper into what we have built quite easily now but in a few months it'll be to late.

Cheers
 
Will it not work like ADSL? I.e BT will have to open up their network to others to allow for competition. In fact I'm pretty sure Sky's fibre is running of BTs network. Could be wrong through :p
 
Most probably but how long?

We met with Sky last week and they said that it's a 'significant' investment to use fibre for them where they aren't.
 
Do you mean the fibre to the premises, instead of fibre to the cabinet.
Surely there still needs to exist phone caballing, or is this also supplied in a fibre manner?
 
The cabinet is the fibre head and there's fibre running to each apartment.

We have not arranged for any copper apart from the lift lines which is pretty standard.

Phones through BT are through the fibre.
 
As you have said in your opening post , if you don't run copper you have basically have said to the tenants you have to stay with BT as you have no other choice
 
So for onsite it's all fibre, no copper to any of the flats. Is BT running to fibre to the property?

Tbh this is what needs to be done on new builds, copper is holding back internet speeds. (Suppose you could run both but might be costly now)

Shame BT have exclusivity but I'd imagine it will be time limited so they can get a return on their investment and should mean the tenants will be able to get the maximum BT fibre speeds currently available.

Were Virgin not interested?
 
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BT are currently the only provider that can provide a phone service over their FTTP. If you (by you I mean get Openreach to do it) don't put copper in as well then people won't have a choice of provider.
 
MonkeyMan said:
So for onsite it's all fibre, no copper to any of the flats. Is BT running to fibre to the property?
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Yes all fibre, we run the fibre from the cabinet to the socket.

It looks like we might be retrofitting the copper, I doubt people who are paying £800k > £18m want to hear they can only use BT.
 
If Openreach are planning this as a fibre build are they bringing enough copper capacity to your site? You really want to speak with them about it.
 
Actually you might be alright, this seems to suggest that 3rd parties can use the fibre to deliver their own products if they want:

http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/hom...6rNZujnCs99NbIKJZPD9hXYmiijxH6wr CQm97GZMyQ==

http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/hom...6rNZujnCs99NbIKJZPD9hXYmiijxH6wr CQm97GZMyQ==

Through having an analogue telephony adaptor (ATA) built into the FTTP Optical Network Termination (ONT) device at the customer's premises, FVA enables you to deliver a PSTN quality voice service to your customers over fibre. The ATA interface can support two analogue telephony ports, so any existing analogue telephony equipment and home wiring can be connected to it. You can choose to use just one, or both of these ports.
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Sky might just be moaning because they aren't on board yet.

Edit: You'd gain nothing by putting your own copper in if Openreach aren't bringing enough capacity to the site. Even if they are bringing enough lines in, there is no chance they are going to deploy an FTTC cabinet. Initially your residents might only have a choice of BT as a retail provider but I really can't see it taking long for other providers to get on board offering their products over proper fibre. I also don't think they'll care too much that they have to buy a premium product for their internet access if the units start at 800k.
 
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Thanks that's useful, I think I'll check also what we've signed up to for the Shared Ownership apartments as well, we may have agreed to provide copper.
 
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