Watch Dogs 720p On Xbox One, 1080p On PS4.

ps3ud0 · 30 Jan 2014 at 10:14

francky said:
I think the biggest issue here is the fact that there is little, to no headroom within the hardware for games to evolve graphically over the coming years.

Usually as time goes on games get a lot better looking as the devs manage to utilise the power they have and even though PC games are miles ahead graphically after the 3-5 year period, the consoles generally do very well with what they have and games tend to look a lot better than they did when the console was released.

It seems to me that this time round, devs are having to scale back on the resolution just so they keep the IQ settings and other modern techniques to keep the game looking current gen.

So in 5 years time they arent going to really look any better than they do today, unless they sacrifice resolution and the 60fps target frame rate.....its not as if X86 is something new and devs are slowly learning how to get the best out of it.

I dont think thats the case, I do think the headroom is not as big this time around for similar reasoning as yourself, but theres still efficiences to be made in coding techniques, dev toolkits and OS overheads. The XO has ESRAM to be massaged which no doubt hasnt been well coded for yet...

Being on the familiar x86 architecture isnt the whole argument - the same learning processes still apply while consoles arent a PC facsimile...

ps3ud0 :cool:

muggs · 30 Jan 2014 at 10:20

anticonscience said:
ElTorro does make amazing gifs.

lol are you trying to imply that i want ppl to think i made that gif?

Johnnytoxic · 30 Jan 2014 at 10:36

This whole resolutiongate fpsgate saga should be reported, so much so it should get to the mainstream public. Hopefully it will.

Due to Microsoft's downright lies and PR words like "balance" , "cloud computing", they have misinformed the public. Along with all the so called gaming news outlets that say there is hardly any difference between the multiplatform games. Polygon docking .5 of a point off COD Ghosts for the PS4 version because of one single dip in framerate and then the Tomb Raider review which contains a huge difference comes with an equal score for both platforms ??

The public deserve to know what they are getting for there money. Then they can then make the decision if the underpowered X1 with Kinect is worth an £80 premium over the PS4.

As Kinect is forced on most people who couldn't care less for it, MS should be footing the bill and the X1 should be competitively priced at £299. Then there wouldn't be so much fuss over this whole affair.

mmj_uk · 30 Jan 2014 at 10:47

ThestigGT999 said:
Devs can cram in more gfx effects tho at 720P

The same can be said for 480P, 360P etc.

1080P TV's have been the standard for a few years now so I think it's only right that consoles target them, the last gen supported 720P even though 720P TV's were still in their infancy when they were released. I remember I bought my very first 720P LCD for Xbox 360.

Eliot · 30 Jan 2014 at 10:49

Oh my god,
This is easily the worst generation ever for rampant fanboyism.

Literally i would hold some of the comments in here to the same light as those mental religious people in the US.

FFS ITS JUST HARDER TO DEVELOP FOR THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS EVERY CONSOLE LAUNCH EVER WITH ONE OF THE CONSOLES.

Look at the wii U, If someone said it would be rendering 1080p games when it just got released and all the badly programmed multi plat games, with zero optimisation, were sub 720p. some of the idiots in here would have called them crazy.
But it is with 3 cores and 1gb of ram.
So i'm pretty such the Xbox One will be very soon, Just fine.

They are consoles, Both have tradeoffs, Its early days.

How about all of you just put down the keyboard and chill the **** out.

Go back and play Perfect dark Zero and then play something like Skyrim,
In fact, Play GTA4 and then Play GTAv

Progress and optimisation at work...

francky · 30 Jan 2014 at 10:50

Plainsong said:
a lot of very clever devs out there, francky. The games won't evolve graphically? Of course they will.

Im not saying they wont at all, more along the lines of the fact that the h/w headroom seems very small, which will gimp future development of Graphical fidelity.

Clever devs will always squeeze the best out of what they have (Naughty Dog for example).....but devs having to push back the resolution at this very early stage just seems quite poor to me.

Maybe im wrong and visuals will get better better, while the resolution and frame rates are kept at 1080/60fps....we shall see.

Im more interested in good gamplay, over good visuals anyway....so not even sure why I got involved in this thread

kitch9 · 30 Jan 2014 at 10:56

Eliot said:
Oh my god,
This is easily the worst generation ever for rampant fanboyism.

Literally i would hold some of the comments in here to the same light as those mental religious people in the US.

FFS ITS JUST HARDER TO DEVELOP FOR THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS EVERY CONSOLE LAUNCH EVER WITH ONE OF THE CONSOLES.

Look at the wii U, If someone said it would be rendering 1080p games when it just got released and all the badly programmed multi plat games, with zero optimisation, were sub 720p. some of the idiots in here would have called them crazy.
But it is with 3 cores and 1gb of ram.
So i'm pretty such the Xbox One will be very soon, Just fine.

They are consoles, Both have tradeoffs, Its early days.

How about all of you just put down the keyboard and chill the **** out.

Go back and play Perfect dark Zero and then play something like Skyrim,
In fact, Play GTA4 and then Play GTAv

Progress and optimisation at work...

Its the easiest generation ever to make a comparison. Both machines are running similar hardware just one is substantially more powerful.

bemaniac · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:04

Eliot said:
Oh my god,
This is easily the worst generation ever for rampant fanboyism.

Literally i would hold some of the comments in here to the same light as those mental religious people in the US.

FFS ITS JUST HARDER TO DEVELOP FOR THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS EVERY CONSOLE LAUNCH EVER WITH ONE OF THE CONSOLES.

Look at the wii U, If someone said it would be rendering 1080p games when it just got released and all the badly programmed multi plat games, with zero optimisation, were sub 720p. some of the idiots in here would have called them crazy.
But it is with 3 cores and 1gb of ram.
So i'm pretty such the Xbox One will be very soon, Just fine.

They are consoles, Both have tradeoffs, Its early days.

How about all of you just put down the keyboard and chill the **** out.

Go back and play Perfect dark Zero and then play something like Skyrim,
In fact, Play GTA4 and then Play GTAv

Progress and optimisation at work...

No DX11 effects on the Wii U so quite different

cHk4 · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:09

Suarez7 said:
or a PS4?

Lol that made me laugh

I recon that dodgy footage that got leaked ages ago was really xbo footage.

Eliot · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:10

bemaniac said:
No DX11 effects on the Wii U so quite different

Its down 5gb and 5 cpu cores and has a to render two screens with seamingly zero delay so i guess we can cancel that point out..

Eliot · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:12

kitch9 said:
Its the easiest generation ever to make a comparison. Both machines are running similar hardware just one is substantially more powerful.

Or the power is substantially better utilised at the moment.

Actually this is probably the closest gen power wise, The xbox and ps2 were seperated by a MASSIVE gulf of raw power with the gamecube sitting in between..

ThestigGT999 · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:13

mmj_uk said:
The same can be said for 480P, 360P etc.

1080P TV's have been the standard for a few years now so I think it's only right that consoles target them, the last gen supported 720P even though 720P TV's were still in their infancy when they were released. I remember I bought my very first 720P LCD for Xbox 360.

that's why COD halo and some other games were sub-720P native

spoffle · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:14

Eliot said:
Or the power is substantially better utilised at the moment.

Actually this is probably the closest gen power wise, The xbox and ps2 were seperated by a MASSIVE gulf of raw power with the gamecube sitting in between..

There's a much bigger gap between the PS4 and Xbox One than the PS3 and Xbox 360.

Eliot · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:16

Sauce?

In percentages please other wise it means jack all.

Jase · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:20

I think MS messed up with the Xbone, if they had put the extra value into the actual console and not the Kinnect they may have had a really good console. I mean people have obviously been willing to pay the price but I wonder how many paid it because of Kinnect, I'm guessing not many, I would have prefered to have my extra £100 put into the graphics/memory etc than a device that I would prefer not to use.

It comes to something that MS are already trying to squeeze extra resources from the kinnect allocation to make their machine a little more capable. For those who don't think there's a difference between 720 and 1080p then they must be blind, I played Ghosts yesterday on my Xbone having been used to playing it on the PS4 and the difference is very noticable, it felt like I went back a generation using the Xbone!

spoffle · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:21

You don't need a source, just look at the available power between the hardware used

spoffle · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:23

Jase said:
I think MS messed up with the Xbone, if they had put the extra value into the actual console and not the Kinnect they may have had a really good console. I mean people have obviously been willing to pay the price but I wonder how many paid it because of Kinnect, I'm guessing not many, I would have prefered to have my extra £100 put into the graphics/memory etc than a device that I would prefer not to use.

It comes to something that MS are already trying to squeeze extra resources from the kinnect allocation to make their machine a little more capable. For those who don't think there's a difference between 720 and 1080p then they must be blind, I played Ghosts yesterday on my Xbone having been used to playing it on the PS4 and the difference is very noticable, it felt like I went back a generation using the Xbone!

The kinect doesn't really actually add £100 to the manufacturer costs of the Xbox One, not even close, it's just 2 cameras and a microphone in a shiny casing.

ps3ud0 · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:23

I feel this is like Eliot finding out that Santa Claus isnt real - tough break

Eliot said:
Actually this is probably the closest gen power wise, The xbox and ps2 were seperated by a MASSIVE gulf of raw power with the gamecube sitting in between..

Hes trolling

ps3ud0

Nimdok · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:24

kitch9 said:
The hardware is nerfed to hell and back with an extra topping of software overhead.

The GPU reserve is supposedly going to be reduced from 10% to 2%, so I guess we'll see how much that helps

kitch9 said:
Thuway is a known leaker who is rarely wrong and only leaks anything when he has two sources.

He did get banned recently for not providing enough sources though.

Eliot · 30 Jan 2014 at 11:27

LOL really?

I'll come back to this thread in 6 months when the "Huge Gap" is reduced to some effects and a bit of framerate and then we will see how history has repeated itself again just like everyother consoel generation where a bunch of people who should no better basically say exactly the same thing as they were 5-8 years before.

In the meantime enjoy being a massive fanboy.

Literally, if something will make me give up gaming, Its other gamers.