What's best for painting skirts and door frames?

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Hi all

Just going through a decorating phase at the moment and I've been using Crown brilliant white liquid gloss for the wood. It's the kind that starts off white and gets whiter as it goes off. It looks really white, however it's a pain to apply as it's massively thick and getting good coverage is difficult.

So...is Dulux gloss much better? Or should I be looking at a different product? I've heard people say to use satin, but what does this actually mean? Any old satin as in the same paint I might use for my ceiling or walls?

Cheers.
 
professional decorators always thin the paint,it evaporates after,it just makes it easier to apply,only add a little not a huge amount

satin paint is just the finish,it doesn't shine as much as gloss

you have gloss,satin,matt all labelled on how much it shines
 
I always use dulux gloss after painting our loft room wood work with Crown gloss and it going yellow in less than a year.
 
a1ex2001 said:
I always use dulux gloss after painting our loft room wood work with Crown gloss and it going yellow in less than a year.
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When was that? They've just released 'now gloss technology' according to the tin, so I hope it lasts longer. We used Dulux in our previous house a few years back and it went yellow very quickly, but I'm sure I remember reading that the latest glosses have fixed the problem.
 
Dulux trade diamond water based gloss, easy to apply and doesn't turn yellow.
Not cheap but worth it. Like most water based paints it still needs two costs for a really good finish.
a lot of people don't like water based gloss but after trying no end of others they all turn yellow with time. Not with water based :-)
 
Dulux gloss is garbage since voc 2010, to be honest stay away from anything oilbased unless you're painting colours (and if you are painting colours, Sikkens all the way).

Dulux basically produce mediocre (at best) paints for the DIY market nowadays.

No, what you want is (assuming you're painting over oil) to smooth off and key any surfaces with 120 grit, then a coat of Zinsser 123+ (bridging primer), followed by 2 coats of johnstones aqua undercoat (add some floetrol if you're having trouble with the open times), rub down 120 grit between coats. Then a top coat of aqua gloss, for mirror finish wet sand that with some 600 grit and apply one final coat on top.

I'd use purdy monarch elite or wooster silvertips, and of course always remember to lay off as you go and tack cloth between coats.

If you're having a real issue with the acrylics and floetrol isn't helping then I recommend you wet the surface with a clean sponge as you go - it'll improve the open times even more.
 
pitchfork said:
Dulux gloss is garbage since voc 2010, to be honest stay away from anything oilbased unless you're painting colours (and if you are painting colours, Sikkens all the way).

Dulux basically produce mediocre (at best) paints for the DIY market nowadays.

No, what you want is (assuming you're painting over oil) to smooth off and key any surfaces with 120 grit, then a coat of Zinsser 123+ (bridging primer), followed by 2 coats of johnstones aqua undercoat (add some floetrol if you're having trouble with the open times), rub down 120 grit between coats. Then a top coat of aqua gloss, for mirror finish wet sand that with some 600 grit and apply one final coat on top.

I'd use purdy monarch elite or wooster silvertips, and of course always remember to lay off as you go and tack cloth between coats.

If you're having a real issue with the acrylics and floetrol isn't helping then I recommend you wet the surface with a clean sponge as you go - it'll improve the open times even more.
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Some great tips there.

I haven't used Dulux in the last four or five years, got given some free Johnstones gloss, & have used it ever since.
Johnstone’s Aqua Water Based Gloss, like it being recoatable after 6 hours, lovely paint to work with.
Bought a couple of Purdy Monarch Elite brushes last year, superb brush, pricey, but worth every penny.
 
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Oh yeah, it does pay to get some good brushes and rollers - neater lines, better finish and all round nicer to paint with. Look after them and they'll last a lifetime.
 
Nightglow said:
Some great tips there.

I haven't used Dulux in the last four or five years, got given some free Johnstones gloss, & have used it ever since.
Johnstone’s Aqua Water Based Gloss, like it being recoatable after 6 hours, lovely paint to work with.
Bought a couple of Purdy Monarch Elite brushes last year, superb brush, pricey:eek:, but worth every penny.
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Just come back from Johnstones Decorating centre, & I never knew you could get Anti Bacterial Acrylic Matt & Anti Bacterial Acrylic Eggshell paint.:eek:
 
Nightglow said:
Just come back from Johnstones Decorating centre, & I never knew you could get Anti Bacterial Acrylic Matt & Anti Bacterial Acrylic Eggshell paint.:eek:
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You can, it's just ********. Marketing hype :rolleyes:

I do love going to the deckies centre though, it's a man thing I think. Like watching ice road truckers or the pinch and twist motion.
 
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How well does the Johnstones water based paint hold up to wear and tear? I bought a tin of Johnstones oil based eggshell a few days ago and it seems like a nice paint, just a ball ache cleaning the brushes etc afterwards. I'd love to use water based in future but I envision it all peeling off and chipping over time. I guess the bridging primer should stop that though?
 
Bridging primer is belt and braces - provided you key the surface you could in theory use just 2 coats of the undercoat.

It's plenty durable, provided you applied it properly it's every bit as durable as oil, it's a little more difficult to work with (drying times much quicker) though.

It won't be quite as shiny but to be honest white oil based paint just isn't an option unless you have someone paint your house every 2 weeks. You're lucky to get a month before it starts yellowing.
 
pitchfork said:
I do love going to the deckies centre though, it's a man thing I think. Like watching ice road truckers or the pinch and twist motion.
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Sad,isn't it, I'm getting addicted to deckie centres now, it's the same with tool shops.

Mark A said:
How well does the Johnstones water based paint hold up to wear and tear? I bought a tin of Johnstones oil based eggshell a few days ago and it seems like a nice paint, just a ball ache cleaning the brushes etc afterwards. I'd love to use water based in future but I envision it all peeling off and chipping over time. I guess the bridging primer should stop that though?
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Been using oil based for a few years with Johnstones, only went with their water based aqua gloss in November last year, got a free can of white gloss to try, it's still on the door frames, hasn't come off yet,bathroom woodwork is still very white, what has shocked me, is it hasn't yellowed so far like Crown & Dulux did after a few months.:eek:

Still too soon to tell how long it going to last, but so far it seem to be the best water base I've use.

Got the hall & top landing door frames, skirtings rubbed down ready to under & gloss in the next few weeks.

It's nice being able to undercoat, dry in 2 hours,recoatable in 4 hours & gloss in a day, it's even possible to get two gloss coats on in a day with the recoat in 4-6 hours timeline is useful.
 
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