All London underground ticket offices to close by 2015

Lazy. All I can say if they don't like it find another job, someone else will soon snap yours up.

I personally only used the ticket offices once in my life and that was to purchase an oyster card. I very rarely get lost on the tube as I think it's quite a simple system to understand but on the times I've had to ask for help, asking people on the gates or on the platform has appeared to be much quicker.
 
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ci_newman said:
I honestly cannot see what the unions are protesting over, there will be no loss of jobs and security will not be compromised as there will be more staff on the platforms. I really cant see the issue??
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Because they are forcing people to change roles?

In order for this to happen everyone who works at a ticket office will be terminated and they will have the option of applying for one of the new roles that will be created, with different job descriptions than their current ones (and salary/pension potential etc.)

Yes, there may be enough 'new' jobs created but you can bet the T&C will be much different than sitting at a desk printing out tickets.

Considering that, why would the unions NOT strike! They are there to defend the rights of their members, who are going to get screwed over this.

There is also a minor issue of changing the payscales of all LU staff, effectively reducing pensions by converting pay rises into bonuses (i.e. you don't get a performance % salary increase anymore, you get a bonus, which you have to earn EVERY year, thus it doesn't count towards their final salary pension). That's another thing that has the unions on the edge.
 
Vanilla said:
24 hour tube over the weekend makes this a win
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I doubt that the 24 hour weekend tube service is linked to the move of the staff and is most likely to be a bit of a carrot to the general public so they back the changes TFL want.
 
I honestly think that the 24hr weekend tube is an entirely separate and independent issue. We've wanted it for years and I think it's coincidence it's coming about now.
 
Hades said:
I doubt that the 24 hour weekend tube service is linked to the move of the staff and is most likely to be a bit of a carrot to the general public so they back the changes TFL want.
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I'd eat that carrot all day and to be honest I don't think the general public are opposed to anything TFL does with staff.

Many general Londoners consider TFL staff/unions to be the devil's spawn so TFL could shoot most of them and still keep us happy.

harsh....but true.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
I honestly think that the 24hr weekend tube is an entirely separate and independent issue. We've wanted it for years and I think it's coincidence it's coming about now.
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I really don't think it's co-incidence. It's being rolled into a single "package" of changes because TFL know that the general public will be more in favour of the weekend opening than supporting the staff that are affected.

I am in favour of the changes but I don't like the way the general public are being played on this matter.
 
Not buying that. I don't know anyone that is bothered by the changes to ticket offices, including a number of LUL staff.

The only people that are seemingly bothered are those that are paid to be. The Union.
 
Don't misunderstand me; I agree with the changes but when something seems too much of a co-incidence then it usually is.
 
XeNoN89 said:
The sooner we can move to a completely automatic tube system and sack the lot of the greedy buggers the better.
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lol funny post, because making it all automatic and full of machines and no people will make it better/safer for customers...yea right!

A few of the lines already use ATO which is supposed to be automatic driving, but the amount of times it fails and the driver has to take control is a joke, no way will there be driverless trains in the near future.

I start working for LUL next week, got 4 weeks training, luckily next week's location is just a bus ride away so the first strike won't effect me.
 
A2Z said:
A few of the lines already use ATO which is supposed to be automatic driving, but the amount of times it fails and the driver has to take control is a joke, no way will there be driverless trains in the near future.
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My takeaway from that, if it's true, is that TFL should be investing more in it. Driverless trains clearly can work. See Copenhagen, or even just the DLR.
 
PinkPig said:
My takeaway from that, if it's true, is that TFL should be investing more in it. Driverless trains clearly can work. See Copenhagen, or even just the DLR.
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That's the key point right there. Off course it's possible, but as you say, a lot more funds need to be invested before it actually works how it should do.

From what I understand they need billions more to be invested...which they simple don't have.

http://aslefshrugged.blogspot.co.uk/ is a great blog by a central line tube driver, highly recommended!
 
PinkPig said:
My takeaway from that, if it's true, is that TFL should be investing more in it. Driverless trains clearly can work. See Copenhagen, or even just the DLR.
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The massive difference between the DLR and the underground is that the DLR was designed from the ground up to be a driverless automated system whereas the tube absolutely wasn't.
 
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