800 series.

random_matt · 3 Feb 2014 at 14:37

Is it worth waiting for the 800 series or buy a 780 this month?

Gregster · 3 Feb 2014 at 14:39

Don't wait Matt, go for it. The 8 series will not be with us for quite some time (September the earliest is my guess).

AllBodies · 3 Feb 2014 at 14:58

A GTX 780 isn't a worthwhile upgrade over a GTX 770 however, assuming that's still your build?

It's only ~15% faster and adds no new features.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780_Ti/27.html

You'd be better off going for an AMD R9 290 since it's a bit faster than a GTX 780, has 1GB more VRAM, and will become faster in mantle games.

Of course if you want/need Nvidia features like CUDA/Shadowplay/etc. then that's not an option.

Rofflay · 3 Feb 2014 at 15:32

Are you serious Greg sept? :eek:

Cannot possibly wait until then for a 780 TI killer. Dont want to spend £500 on something thats insuffient for 120HZ/4K above 30fps lol.

ndaar · 3 Feb 2014 at 15:58

Mantle isn't going to be a super performance boost across all systems and setups with an ati card allbodies, biggest improvements are on APU systems & its still very early days.

Granted ati cards offer great value for money, however they tend to be hotter and more power hungry than there NVidia counterparts.

Yeah September is a long way away for 800 series. There is supposed to be the titan black edition this month and the 790 in the next month or two which will obviously be powerful and very expensive cards.

AllBodies · 3 Feb 2014 at 16:12

ndaar said:
Mantle isn't going to be a super performance boost across all systems and setups with an ati card allbodies, biggest improvements are on APU systems & its still very early days.

I don't believe that's what I wrote there, and also that's not entirely correct that mantle helps mostly with APU systems.

Mantle helps remove CPU bottlenecks, so that applies to all systems with weaker CPU's than their GPU's (i.e. an APU or i3 with a 280X or above, or even an i7 4930k with two R9 290 or 290X's). It will also apply to pretty much any setup with a large mutliplayer game (like battlefield 4) and likely RTS's (since they're normally CPU bound due to all the units).

Fact of the matter is the R9 290 is cheaper and faster than the GTX 780 without mantle, and if mantle only adds 10% on average, then an R9 290 will be barely slower than a 780 Ti. (note I am talking about the custom-cooled R9 290's, since we all know the stock cooler is catastrophically awful).

So as I say, unless Nvidia-only features are wanted, there's no reason to get a GTX 780 over an R9 290.

PhysicsMan94 · 3 Feb 2014 at 16:17

If you play at 1080p 60Hz then stick with your 770 until the 800 series comes out and then you can see how much of a performance increase they will have over the current line up. A 770 should be fine for gaming at near max settings for the next year or so at 1080p.

On the other hand, if you are gaming at (1440+)p or at 120Hz then you might want to consider getting a 780 or two if you can afford them and you really want to max out games for the next few months.

straxusii · 3 Feb 2014 at 16:41

AllBodies said:
A GTX 780 isn't a worthwhile upgrade over a GTX 770 however

I disagree, I did this (going from a 680) and it's a good 30% faster when both are overclocked. Bear in mind reviews will show a stock speed 780 and it overclocks massively above stock core speed. I game at 1080p also.

AllBodies · 3 Feb 2014 at 16:50

straxusii said:
I disagree, I did this (going from a 680) and it's a good 30% faster when overclocked. Bear in mind review will show a stock speed 780 and it overclocks massively above stock core speed.

If you do overclock it. And a GTX 770 overclocked can be 15% faster than a GTX 680 at stock.

Best to compare apples to apples in my opinion, unless there's a huge discrepancy in overclocking potential. And some people don't fiddle with the clocks from what they buy anyway.

ndaar · 3 Feb 2014 at 17:05

AllBodies said:
I don't believe that's what I wrote there, and also that's not entirely correct that mantle helps mostly with APU systems.

Mantle helps remove CPU bottlenecks, so that applies to all systems with weaker CPU's than their GPU's (i.e. an APU or i3 with a 280X or above, or even an i7 4930k with two R9 290 or 290X's). It will also apply to pretty much any setup with a large mutliplayer game (like battlefield 4) and likely RTS's (since they're normally CPU bound due to all the units).

Fact of the matter is the R9 290 is cheaper and faster than the GTX 780 without mantle, and if mantle only adds 10% on average, then an R9 290 will be barely slower than a 780 Ti. (note I am talking about the custom-cooled R9 290's, since we all know the stock cooler is catastrophically awful).

So as I say, unless Nvidia-only features are wanted, there's no reason to get a GTX 780 over an R9 290.

I think you may of thought I was picking on you or something allbodies. I wasn't.

We were basically saying the same thing LOL.

Gregster · 3 Feb 2014 at 17:15

AllBodies said:
A GTX 780 isn't a worthwhile upgrade over a GTX 770 however, assuming that's still your build?

It's only ~15% faster and adds no new features.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780_Ti/27.html

You'd be better off going for an AMD R9 290 since it's a bit faster than a GTX 780, has 1GB more VRAM, and will become faster in mantle games.

Of course if you want/need Nvidia features like CUDA/Shadowplay/etc. then that's not an option.

A 780 is more than 15% faster and 30% would be the average. I went from a 680 to a Titan and the 780 is only a fraction slower and custom 780's are faster than my Titan. Nothing wrong with a 290 but that isn't what the OP asked, so I tend to stick with their questions

Rofflay said:
Are you serious Greg sept?

Cannot possibly wait until then for a 780 TI killer. Dont want to spend £500 on something thats insuffient for 120HZ/4K above 30fps lol.

Yer, low end Maxwell first and high end closer to the end of year is probably more realistic.

AllBodies · 3 Feb 2014 at 17:15

ndaar said:
I think you may of thought I was picking on you or something allbodies. I wasn't.

We were basically saying the same thing LOL.

Fair enough, no worries

Gregster said:
A 780 is more than 15% faster and 30% would be the average. I went from a 680 to a Titan and the 780 is only a fraction slower and custom 780's are faster than my Titan. Nothing wrong with a 290 but that isn't what the OP asked, so I tend to stick with their questions

So you didn't look at the citation I provided?

Here it is again: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780_Ti/27.html

You are simply incorrect. The GTX 780 is 16.2% faster than a GTX 770 averaged across many games and all common resolutions, and its lead is reduced to 14.6% at the most common resolution of 1920x1080.

random_matt · 3 Feb 2014 at 17:28

PhysicsMan94 said:
If you play at 1080p 60Hz then stick with your 770 until the 800 series comes out and then you can see how much of a performance increase they will have over the current line up. A 770 should be fine for gaming at near max settings for the next year or so at 1080p.

On the other hand, if you are gaming at (1440+)p or at 120Hz then you might want to consider getting a 780 or two if you can afford them and you really want to max out games for the next few months.

I'll wait then, only game at 1080p, but would like to get a 120/144Hz monitor in the summer.

ndaar · 3 Feb 2014 at 17:32

random_matt said:
I'll wait then, only game at 1080p, but would like to get a 120/144Hz monitor in the summer.

I got a similar setup Matt, (4770K with an 770) I was undecided like you if I should grab some 780s or something as I want to move to 1440p.

My final decision (subject to change) was get the ROG swift PG278Q 1440p g-sync monitor when it comes out (prob april) and then get the best GPU option then. At 1080P my single 770 still play most games at max settings (or near)ok.

Gregster · 3 Feb 2014 at 17:39

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/7.html

BF3 = 34% faster with the MSI gaming card.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/8.html

Bioshock = 23% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/10.html

Black Ops 2 = 22% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/13.html

Crysis 3 = 24% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/15.html

Far Cry 3 = 34% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/16.html

Grid 2 = 34% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/17.html

Hitman Absolution = 39% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/18.html

Metro LL = 18% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/22.html

Tomb Raider = 32% faster than the 770

Just a few examples of how the custom cards can perform much faster than the 770. For sure, if you overclock the 770, it will be closer but you can also overclock the 780, which in turn clocks better than the 770 in most cases and will see higher gains.

AllBodies · 3 Feb 2014 at 18:06

Gregster said:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/7.html

BF3 = 34% faster with the MSI gaming card.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/8.html

Bioshock = 23% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/10.html

Black Ops 2 = 22% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/13.html

Crysis 3 = 24% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/15.html

Far Cry 3 = 34% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/16.html

Grid 2 = 34% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/17.html

Hitman Absolution = 39% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/18.html

Metro LL = 18% faster than the 770

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_TF_Gaming/22.html

Tomb Raider = 32% faster than the 770

Just a few examples of how the custom cards can perform much faster than the 770. For sure, if you overclock the 770, it will be closer but you can also overclock the 780, which in turn clocks better than the 770 in most cases and will see higher gains.

The average is still only 22% and not 30%, and you're comparing an overclocked 780 to a stock 770.

If you compare apples to apples, like with a GTX 770 Windforce then it's still only 15%. In fact in the case of the 770 Windforce, that's only 16% slower than a stock Titan at 1920x1080!

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX_770_WindForce_OC/27.html

It's simple (and random matt has already decided to wait anyway), a GTX 780 is a terrible upgrade from a GTX 770. The only reason to do it is if you are very fortunate with the amount of disposable income you have.

straxusii · 3 Feb 2014 at 18:09

The thing is, in my experience, and from reading a ton of others in the 780 owners thread, when both are overclocked to potential the 780 pulls away far more than reviews will tell, including factory overclocked ones.

Gregster · 3 Feb 2014 at 18:16

AllBodies said:
The average is still only 22% and not 30%, and you're comparing an overclocked 780 to a stock 770.

If you compare apples to apples, like with a GTX 770 Windforce then it's still only 15%. In fact in the case of the 770 Windforce, that's only 16% slower than a stock Titan at 1920x1080!

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX_770_WindForce_OC/27.html

It's simple (and random matt has already decided to wait anyway), a GTX 780 is a terrible upgrade from a GTX 770. The only reason to do it is if you are very fortunate with the amount of disposable income you have.

Not sure where you went to school but I make the average 28.88% (call it 29% for arguments sake) and those people who own 780's are testament to how much overclocking is achievable on the 780 and I know from experience that the gains are higher on the 780 over the 770.

Anyways, seems the OP is sticking with the 770 for now, so all good

Stas823 · 3 Feb 2014 at 22:15

bear in mind a b grade gtx 690 is 499. thats good value for money!

thefogo · 3 Feb 2014 at 22:40

AllBodies said:
You are simply incorrect. The GTX 780 is 16.2% faster than a GTX 770 averaged across many games and all common resolutions, and its lead is reduced to 14.6% at the most common resolution of 1920x1080.

Take out all the non GPU-demanding games and the 780 will pull away more. In games like SCII the 770 beats the 780 for some silly reason.
Plus the 780 has more overclocking headroom.