Police Officer Frames Bloke On Camera

So why did you say you lost faith in the police then?

Because it is one and the same in the eyes of Joe public. The DI that was in charge of the case was just as incompetent as the CPS.

Ahh I see, so do you think the Police did an acceptable job and were let down by the CPS or do you think there were failings on both sides?

I think the actual bobbies that were on the scene did their jobs perfectly well, when CID got involved it went pear shaped and got worse when the CPS got involved.

The experience from an 'end user' point of view was shocking, the fact that there is a line of power that you have to follow doesn't give me much confidence in any of them.
 
I think the actual bobbies that were on the scene did their jobs perfectly well, when CID got involved it went pear shaped and got worse when the CPS got involved.

The experience from an 'end user' point of view was shocking, the fact that there is a line of power that you have to follow doesn't give me much confidence in any of them.

I'm sorry to hear that. What do you mean by "line of power"? Did you feel you were kept up to date with the investigation and what was happening?
 
The first officer wanted to inconvenience the guy filming.He then concocted a story.His attitude to the black guy, "go away you mithering me" smacks of a man who doesn't want to be there.
 
Ok, Hypothetical question here.

I drive to the pub and park up. I have had not had a drink yet. I leave my jacket in the car boot.
I have a few drinks and decide to get a cab home, however while I'm waiting for my cab outside it starts raining.
I go to my car to get my jacket out.

Could I in theory then get done for being under the influence while in charge of a motor vehicle? If so that is pretty lame.

Would be difficult to prove 'beyond reasonable doubt' especially if yo were caught in the perfectly reasonable act of opening the boot to retrieve said jacket. If you were lowering yourself into the drivers seat then it maybe a slightly different matter unless you could convince the officer you intended to sleep in the pub car park which might require the land lord to confirm you do it every other friday night!
 
I give money to charity, does that make me their employer? No.

You gave your money freely, I'm forced. Not the same. You do see that don't you?

You are wrong on this. You are taxed as a citizen and it is the Government allocates where that tax goes in most cases.

Again when everyone in my area gets their start of the year council bill
it tells us how much goes where.
If your council does not then I suggest you ask them.
 
So are the people in Asda under your employ when you shop there too then? Police officers pay taxes too, does that mean they're self-employed?

I'm getting the impression that the 'u' in your username should really be an 'n'.

I see you haven't read the thread. Go back and try to understand. Oh and calling people names is like a 5 year old.
 
I'm sorry to hear that. What do you mean by "line of power"? Did you feel you were kept up to date with the investigation and what was happening?

Not even in the slightest, in fact we had to chase the DI to find out what was happening all of the way through.

By line of power I mean, the bobbies who knew what happened, were there at the scene and made arrests were suddenly no longer required as soon as it was passed over to the DI. Who then had no interest in the case as he had been informed by CPS that it was then out of his hands.

So basically, the people that knew what had gone on had no authority to add anything to the case as it was all handed over to the CPS who made a balls up of the whole thing. Which was apparent as soon as we met the guy from the CPS (the 19 year old without a clue) in the witness room in the courts.

This is when we got up and left.
 
You gave your money freely, I'm forced. Not the same. You do see that don't you?



Again when everyone in my area gets their start of the year council bill
it tells us how much goes where.
If your council does not then I suggest you ask them.

Yes, I acknowledge the difference between choosing, and having your hand forced, but the principle remains the same.

You are wrong, and you are not an employer, but alas, lets agree to disagree as we'll only continue going round in circles.
 
he blatantly lied on camera, saying the guy admitted to having 'a couple of drinks', that morning, he was setting him up....

he is a wrong un, as they say,

and should be sacked, and his colleges would be happy he was, because he is a liability to them as well.

It really is as clear as the above.

The blind faith of this forum astounds me sometimes.
 
Not even in the slightest, in fact we had to chase the DI to find out what was happening all of the way through.

By line of power I mean, the bobbies who knew what happened, were there at the scene and made arrests were suddenly no longer required as soon as it was passed over to the DI. Who then had no interest in the case as he had been informed by CPS that it was then out of his hands.

So basically, the people that knew what had gone on had no authority to add anything to the case as it was all handed over to the CPS who made a balls up of the whole thing. Which was apparent as soon as we met the guy from the CPS (the 19 year old without a clue) in the witness room in the courts.

This is when we got up and left.

Victim focused investigations is something Hampshire are really quite hot on now. When we attend a job, we need to agree with a victim, how often they'll be updated (even if the update is that we're still waiting for something else), by what means we'll update them and a load of other bits and bobs. If we don't make a log of this contact or attempted contact (such as leaving a voicemail) then we get chased by our sgt when they review it.

At the end of the day, if you're not kept up to date with what is happening then it's perfectly reasonable to feel like you do. More and more forces are recognising this and putting processes in place to make sure victims are at the centre of all investigations.

There is a point when the CPS are given a file to make a charging decision, and there's not much the police can do until this is finalised, but they should then tell you what the decision was and what rationale the CPS had for making that decision. You won't always get the result you want but at least you should have some rationale for why it didn't go to trial.

By the sounds of it, your case was serious (the fact a DI was your contact hints at this), the suspect did get charged and you then had issues at court. Clearly the Police should have been more engaging with you (and hopefully this will be the norm in the not too distant future) but like I said, sometimes the Police feel failed by the CPS although I'm sure they have their own set of frutstations.
 
The first officer wanted to inconvenience the guy filming.He then concocted a story.His attitude to the black guy, "go away you mithering me" smacks of a man who doesn't want to be there.

Or of a man, who has dealt with people of this calibre far too often and is fed up with the drivel some of them can spout. The guy who he said was mithering him may well have been doing so earlier, or even the day before. There are circumstances afoot we aren't aware of but I would hazard a guess they've definitely had a 'run in' before and that the officer knows the behaviour the man is likely to put forward.

It really is as clear as the above.

The blind faith of this forum astounds me sometimes.

Well, that's open to individual interpretation and the same could be said about your 'blind faith'.
 
I see you haven't read the thread. Go back and try to understand.

I've read it just fine, thanks. You seem to be under the impression that because you pay taxes and get a nice colourful leaflet telling you where your money goes, the police are your employees. They are not. Not in any way whatsoever. You're taxed, simple as that.
 
Victim focused investigations is something Hampshire are really quite hot on now. When we attend a job, we need to agree with a victim, how often they'll be updated (even if the update is that we're still waiting for something else), by what means we'll update them and a load of other bits and bobs. If we don't make a log of this contact or attempted contact (such as leaving a voicemail) then we get chased by our sgt when they review it.

At the end of the day, if you're not kept up to date with what is happening then it's perfectly reasonable to feel like you do. More and more forces are recognising this and putting processes in place to make sure victims are at the centre of all investigations.

There is a point when the CPS are given a file to make a charging decision, and there's not much the police can do until this is finalised, but they should then tell you what the decision was and what rationale the CPS had for making that decision. You won't always get the result you want but at least you should have some rationale for why it didn't go to trial.

By the sounds of it, your case was serious (the fact a DI was your contact hints at this), the suspect did get charged and you then had issues at court. Clearly the Police should have been more engaging with you (and hopefully this will be the norm in the not too distant future) but like I said, sometimes the Police feel failed by the CPS although I'm sure they have their own set of frutstations.

It was going to trial but they admitted it that they wouldn't get anything near what they should have done and was going to be community service and fines at best.

I forgot to add, I was also issued with a warrant for my arrest twice, delivered by PC's to my door. This was because we told them we wouldn't be attending the court hearing as it was a waste of everyone's time involved. I didn't want my fiancée to have to stand and give evidence and we explained this very early on in the proceedings, they issued me with two warrants and my fiancée as well.
 
It really is as clear as the above.

The blind faith of this forum astounds me sometimes.

Just because that particular part of the interaction is on video doesn't mean you're seeing or getting the whole story. This is unfortunately one of the dangers of police being compelled to wear bodycams and the like now; people think that because they can see and hear part of what's going on, that their interpretation of events via that video must be correct.
 
Just because that particular part of the interaction is on video doesn't mean you're seeing or getting the whole story. This is unfortunately one of the dangers of police being compelled to wear bodycams and the like now; people think that because they can see and hear part of what's going on, that their interpretation of events via that video must be correct.

+1 to that too. You put this better than I did haha.
 
I forgot to add, I was also issued with a warrant for my arrest twice, delivered by PC's to my door. This was because we told them we wouldn't be attending the court hearing as it was a waste of everyone's time involved. I didn't want my fiancée to have to stand and give evidence and we explained this very early on in the proceedings, they issued me with two warrants and my fiancée as well.

If you give evidence to the Police and it goes to court, the court can summon you. If you don't turn up, they can compel you, by issuing an arrest warrant. The Police don't have any choice in executing these, they are simply the messenger. You should have been explained this when you voiced your concern about giving evidence. The Police obviously failed in making you perfectly clear in what the situation was, although that siutation couldn't be changed.
 
If you give evidence to the Police and it goes to court, the court can summon you. If you don't turn up, they can compel you, by issuing an arrest warrant. The Police don't have any choice in executing these, they are simply the messenger. You should have been explained this when you voiced your concern about giving evidence. The Police obviously failed in making you perfectly clear in what the situation was.

Oh agreed but you can see why people would be slightly distrusting of the Police in this circumstance.

The second warrant I received was delivered by one of the arresting officers at the scene, who literally laughed out loud when I explained what point we were up to.

His response went "Are you seriously telling me that they are stating a lack of evidence when we arrested 3 people at the scene and charged them the same night?"

Also one of the people they arrested denied being there at all in Police interviews, he was arrested at the scene. The CPS never sought the arresting officers version of events at all throughout the proceedings. One of whom was a Sargent.
 
Oh agreed but you can see why people would be slightly distrusting of the Police in this circumstance.

The second warrant I received was delivered by one of the arresting officers at the scene, who literally laughed out loud when I explained what point we were up to.

His response went "Are you seriously telling me that they are stating a lack of evidence when we arrested 3 people at the scene and charged them the same night?"

Also one of the people they arrested denied being there at all in Police interviews, he was arrested at the scene. The CPS never sought the arresting officers version of events at all throughout the proceedings. One of whom was a Sargent.

I would love to tell you I haven't heard of anything remotely similar to this, but I'd be lying. Like I said, I'm sorry you've had a crap experience, but thankfully the majority of cases aren't like this, although it's not as rare as it should be.
 
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