Police Officer Frames Bloke On Camera

Burnsy2023 said:
That simply doesn't work in the real world.
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I am sorry Burnsy but that is no excuse to attack someone :( In the video he is even trying to talk to the Inspector in charge on that day and he is still ignored. He is on his own - the group of protesters have been moved on at this point - and he was not obstructing the vehicles or impeding the officers (that I can see)

As far as I can tell from your posts, you're a good officer who takes his job seriously and you are proud of your job in the force, but Greater Manchester Police have shown themselves up really badly during the Barton Moss Protests.

It has come across as using bulling tactics and being very heavy handed
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Victim focused investigations is something Hampshire are really quite hot on now. When we attend a job, we need to agree with a victim, how often they'll be updated (even if the update is that we're still waiting for something else), by what means we'll update them and a load of other bits and bobs. If we don't make a log of this contact or attempted contact (such as leaving a voicemail) then we get chased by our sgt when they review it.

At the end of the day, if you're not kept up to date with what is happening then it's perfectly reasonable to feel like you do. More and more forces are recognising this and putting processes in place to make sure victims are at the centre of all investigations.
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Same here. We have an electronic system called VicMan where a victim contact agreement is set up and they are kept updated. VicMan and CaseMan workloads are closely monitored.
 
NEVER trust the police. My experience of them has been that they are a law unto themselves.

And yes, I've had direct experience of a corrupt policeman (who was quite happy to try and ruin my life), and one of the black sheep of my extended family is a policeman who has left due to the rampant corruption in the met.


The problem is that you need no qualifications to join, and the like a lot of jobs (politicians) you don't necessarily want the people who are the first to put up their hands....


I'm going to get down on my knees tonight and thank God that I pulled my application out 6 years ago!
 
sports_brah said:
NEVER trust the police. My experience of them has been that they are a law unto themselves.

And yes, I've had direct experience of a corrupt policeman (who was quite happy to try and ruin my life), and one of the black sheep of my extended family is a policeman who has left due to the rampant corruption in the met.


The problem is that you need no qualifications to join, and the like a lot of jobs (politicians) you don't necessarily want the people who are the first to put up their hands....


I'm going to get down on my knees tonight and thank God that I pulled my application out 6 years ago!
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A degree rules out being corrupt ?
 
Von Smallhausen said:
A degree rules out being corrupt ?
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Not necessarily, but having a bit of status and education requirements to the job might encourage a better caliber of person, than from a field which will readily accept anyone who can write their name and add 2+2.

Now I will add that I do not think ALL police are bad, I have no doubt there are some tremendous police who treat it almost as a vocation. I'm merely implying that they are not as numerous as they should be.
 
sports_brah said:
Not necessarily, but having a bit of status and education requirements to the job might encourage a better caliber of person, than from a field which will readily accept anyone who can write their name and add 2+2.
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I suggest you read up on the Police recruitment process. Many forces now require A levels and the actual PIRT isn't as easy as you seem to suggest.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I suggest you read up on the Police recruitment process. Many forces now require A levels and the actual PIRT isn't as easy as you seem to suggest.
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Seeing as the school leaving age is 17, most will have A-Levels, and the PIRT is not particularly challenging.

This is getting into semantics now.


The point I'm trying to make is that the police are not respected, in fact most people downright dislike them. This is through a myriad of reasons, namely corruption, a perception of one law for them, pettiness, lack of maturity/rationality etc.

This is something to be addressed, not ignored. And I propose that having a more educated element will help.


edit: leave the fitness requirements at its lolworthy level though, gotta give people a chance I guess!
 
Corrupt people in every type of profession, being a police officer you're far more likely to be outed for it though, investigations, people recording you to show the interwebz.

The police do a damn good job to be perfectly honest, the way some of you are going on it's as if the country would be in a better state without them.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I suggest you read up on the Police recruitment process. Many forces now require A levels and the actual PIRT isn't as easy as you seem to suggest.
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Are you taking the pee? only a complete idiot could fail that test.

Four___were____ during the operation. All you got to do is fill in the blanks.

And since some kind sole put the test online even a idiot can pass.

Another one they ask is
"how much would it cost to buy four chocolate bars at 45p each" yes really
 
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I don't know what is worse. The video which is totally unsurprising or the reaction to it, which is equally unsurprising.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I don't think anyone remotely suggested that.
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Burnsy, can I ask a question? :p

Under what laws are they allowed to request a breath specimen? (Not saying they can't just interested for my own personal knowledge)
Because I know for a fact that a stop and search they can only do for drugs and weapons etc. from misuse of drugs act. Now obviously a breath specimen doesn't come under any of these. So is it the Road Traffic Act's wording that they can request one if they have reasonable suspicion that they have been driving previously?

e; Actually, found it. Basically they only have to suspect they've been driving. But like I said to myself he's an idiot for not doing it because that's an offence, even if he blew over they'd still struggle to find evidence he done it because it'd take too many hours.
 
sports_brah said:
The point I'm trying to make is that the police are not respected, in fact most people downright dislike them. This is through a myriad of reasons, namely corruption, a perception of one law for them, pettiness, lack of maturity/rationality etc.
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Burnsy2023 said:
You're falling into the trap of thinking your personal experience an opinion is fact for everyone. It's not.
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I think it might be fair to say that the Police Service's reputation is not particularly brilliant at the moment. I think that would be a fair statement.

Obviously, people's personal opinions towards 'things' such as the Police Service, depend largely on a multi branching tree of reasons. One very big branch of that however, along side the socialisation and the attitudes and norms of their micro and macro society and community, will be their personal experiences coming from direct contact with the Police.
 
Hyburnate said:
Burnsy, can I ask a question? :p

Under what laws are they allowed to request a breath specimen? (Not saying they can't just interested for my own personal knowledge)
Because I know for a fact that a stop and search they can only do for drugs and weapons etc. from misuse of drugs act.
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There are many things that you can stopped and searched for but yes, s23 MDA and s1 PACE are the most common. There are all sorts of other things though such as terrorism and certain countryside ones.

Hyburnate said:
Now obviously a breath specimen doesn't come under any of these. So is it the Road Traffic Act's wording that they can request one if they have reasonable suspicion that they have been driving previously?
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Hyburnate said:
e; Actually, found it. Basically they only have to suspect they've been driving. But like I said to myself he's an idiot for not doing it because that's an offence, even if he blew over they'd still struggle to find evidence he done it because it'd take too many hours.
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Yes, like I stated, it was very unlikely a charge would have resulted from a positive breath test if he gave one.
 
deuse said:
They got to make the PIRT test easy as the coppers these days ant that bright.
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Hehe, I'll mention that to one of my other Special colleagues who is also a medical doctor who lectures at Southampton University. I think he may even be a brain surgeon. :p:rolleyes:

Tummy said:
I think it might be fair to say that the Police Service's reputation is not particularly brilliant at the moment. I think that would be a fair statement.
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The majority of people trust and respect the Police, thats's not to say there aren't issues though.
 
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