Persecution of Gays

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Not that being gay is unnatural. The natural family or more commonly known as the traditional family is between a man and a woman. Biologically this is required for the continuation of the species. The problem is not gay relationships, but the deterioration of the natural family.

It is not fair on the child because every child has the right to a natural family. A father and a mother are essential in creating a well rounded individual. As both sexes teach the child and the result is a well balanced individual. The child has no choice in who his parents are and thus it should not be forced upon him to experience an unnatural family.

A lot of the problems we see today with people in the last two generations is the lack of fathers in their lives. This has created a fatherless generation and in some communities the effects of this are undeniable.
 
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People who use the term 'progress' as if they are describing something linear are evidently ignorant of history. In a hundred years time, homosexuality could be illegal throughout the West once more. No social change is made in isolation, and no social change is guaranteed to last from one generation to the next.

Much of the 'progress' made in the last 20 years has been thanks to our living in a time of plenty since the end of the Cold War. When there is an excess of wealth, societies do tend to become more 'progressive'. But there is no guarantee that this time of plenty will continue.

Have you not noted the upsurge in Right Wing politics throughout Europe due to the financial crisis of 2008? Any more systemic shocks to the economy and you could see much that you hold as 'progress' wiped away. Then new narrative will be that we lived in a corrupt and decadent society and that we need to progress to a more... [insert ideology]
 
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anything I don't mind said:
Not that being gay is unnatural. The natural family or more commonly known as the traditional family is between a man and a woman. Biologically this is required for the continuation of the species. The problem is not gay relationships, but the deterioration of the natural family.
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What about the monogamous family grouping that western humans tend to observe is "natural"?

If being gay is not unnatural, can you explain why gay parents cannot form a "natural" family?

Can you explain what "deterioration" is occuring?
 
anything I don't mind said:
Not that being gay is unnatural. The natural family or more commonly known as the traditional family is between a man and a woman. Biologically this is required for the continuation of the species.
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You're starting to sound like a bible thumping Christian. :(

I'm glad you switched words and used 'Traditional' instead of 'Un-natural', that at least is a step in the right direction. Traditions can and often are pernicious, and as the cultural moral zeitgeist evolves we see traditions change over time. We live in a time of great change, which is one of the reasons we are having this discussion.

As for your biological argument, that holds no water with me or any thinking person. Only a small percentage of people are gay and thus they are no threat to the continuation of our species. Seriously, that should be a no brainer ! :rolleyes:
 
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Sliver said:
Can you elaborate ? Above you say 'we' which I took to me 'us' as in the UK. But you use the American dollar ? So are you in fact talking about global aid or just aid from America ?

Also, $13 Trillion is an absurd amount of money. Was that a figure you just pulled out your ass or can you back that up with empirical evidence ?

Sorry, but your post just doesn't seem credible in the least. I'm not even going to get into the 'super glue' claim. :(
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Probably a broad estimate of the total costs of 25 years of GulfWars!

Probably not far off either! :(

(Had we spent a fraction of that on developing commercial Fusion we would probably have cracked it by now, have build the first 100 or so Power stations (Globally) and probably wouldn't need the oil any more! (with abundant heat/electricity most oil compounds can be synthesised))
 
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Social acceptability of homosexuality and the failure of the natural family are related because with the social acceptability of homosexuality is that movement for same sex marriage and unnatural families.
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Not sure I agree with this. If gay people didn't marry women before same sex marriage and procreate with them then I don't see how the change in rules can have affected what you call 'natural families'.
 
I'm not against gays as some of my family are gay. Not got a problem with it at all. I just think they shouldn't have a label. Straight people don't get a label so why should they.
 
anything I don't mind said:
Not that being gay is unnatural. The natural family or more commonly known as the traditional family is between a man and a woman. Biologically this is required for the continuation of the species. The problem is not gay relationships, but the deterioration of the natural family.
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The natural family consists of an Alpha male with reproductive rights, along with several females and related lower rank males. If fact, your idea of a traditional family is quite liberal even for some cultures today, let alone those that existed thousand of years ago. I'm sure there were plenty of individuals such as yourself lamenting the loss of the "traditional family" when the transition was being made to the monogamous structure we have today.
 
Sliver said:
You're starting to sound like a bible thumping Christian. :(

I'm glad you switched words and used 'Traditional' instead of 'Un-natural', that at least is a step in the right direction. Traditions can and often are pernicious, and as the cultural moral zeitgeist evolves we see traditions change over time. We live in a time of great change, which is one of the reasons we are having this discussion.

As for your biological argument, that holds no water with me or any thinking person. Only a small percentage of people are gay and thus they are no threat to the continuation of our species. Seriously, that should be a no brainer ! :rolleyes:
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I don't like using the term traditional because of that very incorrect argument that you used. This is why i prefer using the term natural because it is more accurate.

Biologically the natural family is between a male and a female. Any variation on that is unnatural. Even a single mom and her sister for example raising children is an unnatural family. Not only is it not possible to have children any other way naturally. But in terms of the family environment the natural family is a father and a mother.

The "threat" is not gay people, but the deterioration of the natural family.
 
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What about the monogamous family grouping that western humans tend to observe is "natural"?

If being gay is not unnatural, can you explain why gay parents cannot form a "natural" family?

Can you explain what "deterioration" is occuring?
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Divorce rates.

How many people were raised only by their mothers here? I was after the age of 13. My parents parents were married 55 years.
 
bitslice said:
Those are just the pussy liberal ones.

Followers of one religion (guess who I'm talking about kids!) like to round them up, glue their anus shut with super glue and then force feed them laxatives.

Something bad happens shortly after.



Someone remind me why we we spent $13 TRILLION helping these people :confused:
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As a bisexual man with a more than passing interest in current affairs, particularly those relating to LGBT people I have not come across anything that suggests that this is common place anywhere in the world. Can you provide evidence from a reputable source, Amnesty or Human Rights Watch for example, that proves this is more than a few isolated incidents?

Could you also provide evidence from a similarly reputable source, like the WHO for example, to show us where 'we' are funding a religion to the tune of $13 trillion?

I'm aware that in terms of global LGBT rights we have a long way to go, as seen in Russia, the persecution of people perceived to be LGBT does not have to be legal to be permitted by the state. In the example of Uganda I personally believe that we (the west) bought the homophobia we are currently so disgusted by into the region. We colonised the region, imposed our own (Victorian) religious and moral outlook on the indigenous peoples and then left. It's not too surprising that they have held on to some of the ideas we left behind.

This leaves us a problem in terms of what to do about the rights of LGBT people across the world to be free from persecution. I strongly believe that muscling our way into these cultures and preaching at them is the wrong thing to do. It will close their minds to the message, and it's hugely hypocritical given our own recent past with regard to discrimination of all minority groups. However to do nothing is, in my mind, condoning the behaviour and reinforcing it. Clearly a balance needs to be struck. We need to show local LGBT activists that they have our support, and that we agree with them, and let them lead the way in their own cultures.
 
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Divorce rates.

How many people were raised only by their mothers here? I was after the age of 13. My parents parents were married 55 years.
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Divorce rates going up (and then down again) happening at the same time as a more accepting attitude towards homosexuals doesn't show any sort of link though. You might as well graph it next to climate change and claim the two are linked somehow.
 
AJK said:
What about the monogamous family grouping that western humans tend to observe is "natural"?

If being gay is not unnatural, can you explain why gay parents cannot form a "natural" family?

Can you explain what "deterioration" is occuring?
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Can you then please explain why so many other species also have gay relationships ??
I guess a goat wakes up one morning and decides to become gay!! After all its a unnatural choice hey :rolleyes:


anything I don't mind said:
The "threat" is not gay people, but the deterioration of the natural family.
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No actually it's ignorant nasty people like you!! Perhaps you should move to Russia where this rancid mindset is sadly widespread!!

I'll let Hitch deal with this!!
 
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phonemonkey said:
As a bisexual man with a more than passing interest in current affairs, particularly those relating to LGBT people I have not come across anything that suggests that this is common place anywhere in the world. Can you provide evidence from a reputable source, Amnesty or Human Rights Watch for example, that proves this is more than a few isolated incidents?

Could you also provide evidence from a similarly reputable source, like the WHO for example, to show us where 'we' are funding a religion to the tune of $13 trillion?

I'm aware that in terms of global LGBT rights we have a long way to go, as seen in Russia, the persecution of people perceived to be LGBT does not have to be legal to be permitted by the state. In the example of Uganda I personally believe that we (the west) bought the homophobia we are currently so disgusted by into the region. We colonised the region, imposed our own (Victorian) religious and moral outlook on the indigenous peoples and then left. It's not too surprising that they have held on to some of the ideas we left behind.

This leaves us a problem in terms of what to do about the rights of LGBT people across the world to be free from persecution. I strongly believe that muscling our way into these cultures and preaching at them is the wrong thing to do. It will close their minds to the message, and it's hugely hypocritical given our own recent past with regard to discrimination of all minority groups. However to do nothing is, in my mind, condoning the behaviour and reinforcing it. Clearly a balance needs to be struck. We need to show local LGBT activists that they have our support, and that we agree with them, and let them lead the way in their own cultures.
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Bravo ! Excellent post.
 
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