The FA CUP Fifth Round - 15/16/17 February 2014 *** Spoilers ***

Footyslayer said:
I can see Arsenal winning on Sunday.

I said before the league game that I would rather win the league game. We may surprise Arsenal who were shocking last night at home but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Based on our last few performances, I can't see us winning this. We're completely toothless in attack at the moment and if Arteta plays again on Sunday you'll be able to expose our defence pretty easily again
 
Gooner Leroy said:
I was under the impression that he has a 4 match domestic ban and so will not be playing.
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A few places are saying its only a 3 match ban, even DM was saying it last night in one of his posts. Guess we will find out in the next day or 2 before the game, would be good to have him back in the squad. Just hope he doesnt lunge in with any 2 footed challenges :/.

Only positive thing i can take from our game against Liverpool is that we are at home and thats about it.
 
It was reported at the time as a 4 game ban but the commentator last night on MOTD said he was available this weekend. Like DM said, the FA's site is not showing him as suspended so I assume he will be available at the weekend.
 
I think I'd prefer Flamini was still banned, if Liverpool attack us like they did in the last game, well, Flamini will just end up with another red card from multiple cynical challenges trying to stop the team.

Wenger unfortunately refuses point blank to play to a team. So while we could play more defensively, play a little deeper, put maybe Gibbs or Monreal down the left wing to provide extra cover and a bit of pace on the wings rather than Caz or Ozil playing down a wing and offering no cover. Playing not Ozil and not Giroud.... then Flamini would make a great addition. Of course it's a cup game not league so a draw isn't great.

if we play as normal, which is likely, then we'll likely be over run again and Flamini is more likely to get himself sent off trying to desperately hold Liverpool back on his own than really make a massive difference.
 
Looking forward to Sunday, hopefully Martinez has found a striker in the U15's or local schools and then the Arsenal Liverpool game with the wonderful Owen commentating god willing.

End sarcasm.

Looking forward to the Arsenal game though, genuinely interested to see if the implosion has begun one month later than predicted.
 
Given the team that was meant to play Palace, it seems Martinez is taking the cup pretty seriously as a way into Europe now.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I think I'd prefer Flamini was still banned, if Liverpool attack us like they did in the last game, well, Flamini will just end up with another red card from multiple cynical challenges trying to stop the team.

Wenger unfortunately refuses point blank to play to a team. So while we could play more defensively, play a little deeper, put maybe Gibbs or Monreal down the left wing to provide extra cover and a bit of pace on the wings rather than Caz or Ozil playing down a wing and offering no cover. Playing not Ozil and not Giroud.... then Flamini would make a great addition. Of course it's a cup game not league so a draw isn't great.

if we play as normal, which is likely, then we'll likely be over run again and Flamini is more likely to get himself sent off trying to desperately hold Liverpool back on his own than really make a massive difference.
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Are you sure he's back from suspension? He served a 1 match ban earlier in the season for 5 yellows and according to the FA disciplinary rules any addtional suspension is extended by 1 match for a previous suspension.

(i) If a Player accumulates five cautions in FTCM between the opening day of the
Playing Season and 31 December (including any FTCM played on that day) in the
same Season, he will be suspended automatically for a period covering: -
One First Team Match
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Players dismissed from the Field of Play in a FTCM, having previously in the same season been sent off
in a FTCM (or suspended under the Standard Directions set out in Schedule A in these Regulations for an incident in a FTCM), will be suspended for one extra match for each such previous sending off or suspension, in addition to the automatic suspension applicable to the dismissal. For the purposes of this regulation a previous dismissal in a non FTCM will only be taken into account where it was for violent conduct, serious foul play or spitting.
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Or is it that Flamini's 1 match suspension for 5 yellow cards was before 31st December and therefore does add onto his 3 match suspension from the Soton game?
 
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I think we'll lose at Man.C. tomorrow as I can't see us beating them for a 3rd time this season, although it would be handy as we'd get to keep them.
I'd prefer Liverpool to go through too, that's nothing against Arsenal just if Liverpool have even less games to play that'll help them in the PL.
 
Moses said:
Where are you quoting from? Link?

I'm guessing it's either because it's after the amnesty, or because the two suspensions were different - one being for five yellows, with the other being for a straight red... I can see why two five yellow card suspensions, or two red card suspensions, is worse than two suspensions stemming from five yellows and one red over the course of a season, hence why the punishment may not be made more severe in that instance.
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I pinched it from Arseblog http://news.arseblog.com/2014/01/flamini-to-be-suspended-for-4-games/

It says in the second quote that the extra game is added from either a previous red card or suspension.
 
xibinim said:
Why does there seem to be so much confusion with how long Flamini's ban is?
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Key thing is misinterpretation, as lots of news sites did this also many sources say 4 match ban rather than 3 match.

Either way if you look at the quoted bits above, from Leroy, the most important thing to see is the "will be suspended for one extra match for each such previous sending off or suspension"

the key here isn't you get an extra game for every other suspension but each "such" suspension as in, suspension for the same offence. First sending off for violent conduct, 3 match ban, second sending off for violent conduct, 3 + 1 match ban. First sending off for violent conduct, 3 match ban, first sending off for spitting, 3 match ban, first sending off for two yellow cards, 1 match ban, second sending off for two yellow cards, 1+1 match ban.

In this case Flamini got a one game ban for 5 yellows, and a 3 match ban for dangerous tackle, different offences, no extra ban added. If he got another ban for 5 yellows it would be a 2 game ban, or got another red for a dangerous tackle it would be a 4 game ban.
 
MikeTheNative said:
But you have got into the Champions League all those seasons after, so basically you have won 7 trophies in that time.
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Don't forget the emirates cups!

drunkenmaster said:
Key thing is misinterpretation, as lots of news sites did this also many sources say 4 match ban rather than 3 match.

Either way if you look at the quoted bits above, from Leroy, the most important thing to see is the "will be suspended for one extra match for each such previous sending off or suspension"

the key here isn't you get an extra game for every other suspension but each "such" suspension as in, suspension for the same offence. First sending off for violent conduct, 3 match ban, second sending off for violent conduct, 3 + 1 match ban. First sending off for violent conduct, 3 match ban, first sending off for spitting, 3 match ban, first sending off for two yellow cards, 1 match ban, second sending off for two yellow cards, 1+1 match ban.

In this case Flamini got a one game ban for 5 yellows, and a 3 match ban for dangerous tackle, different offences, no extra ban added. If he got another ban for 5 yellows it would be a 2 game ban, or got another red for a dangerous tackle it would be a 4 game ban.
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Ah, thanks for that. I've been trying to work it out all morning :o
 
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