Employer threatening to ban e-cigs...

[Mynight]

Well then it would be a nicorette inhaler.

That's like saying the milk and the caffeine and the brown colouring are just added to coffee.

That's just hot water.

True but isn't that the part people are complaining about? If there's no vapour there's no link to smoking.

Are nicotine inhalers banned from offices? If they produced nicotine inhalers that looked like cigarettes would they be banned? Isn't an e cig just a prettied up inhaler?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Some of my juices positively reek, yes they are mostly 'nice' smells but it's not my place to force those smells upon my co-workers and it's not yours either.

My work colleagues have kindly asked me not to use vinegar in the office.
At the factory I worked at I was asked (forced) not to eat a tin of tuna because that smell traveled.

 

[hurfdurf]

Me, I'm not a part of a thriving community of e-cig enthusiasts. I smoke and I see e-cigs for what they really are - a two finger salute to the smoking bans.

People cried for the banning of smoking and they got their own way. What did you think would happen to all these smokers with a nicotine addiction? Did you think they would just all go away and vanish?

Now you have e-cigs, they're harmless to others and now people are calling on banning them completely. Why? It's a small metal tube that lights up for a couple of seconds and emits a vapor similar to a mini humidifier. It just screams of none smokers wanting to get their own way for no other reason other than "just because.."

How about this.. None smokers accept that smokers have an addiction, and that this addiction cannot just be banned away overnight just because you don't like it. And if you do eventually ban them then you'll just create a large bunch of people with a nicotine chewing gum addiction. Or should they ban them too?

What country do you live in that cigarette smoking was supposedly banned in because of public outcry? Over here in the UK smoking hasn't been banned, it's been regulated to keep smoke away from people who do not wish to suffer from the dangerous health issues that is part of smoking. Most work places have a smoking area similar to a toilet, where smokers can go and do their thing away from everyone else in the same way people don't go to the toilet at their desk.

 

[PardonTheWait]

True but isn't that the part people are complaining about? If there's no vapour there's no link to smoking.

Are nicotine inhalers banned from offices? If they produced nicotine inhalers that looked like cigarettes would they be banned? Isn't an e cig just a prettied up inhaler?

That's what I'm driving at, it's not the nicotine they're banning, it is the vapour that they mention as being the issue.

It's the vapour and the smell and the fact that it could quite rightly be perceived as obnoxious to sit next to your co-workers blowing clouds of smelly vapour up in to the air all day.

The nicorette inhaler doesn't do that, it's just a plastic thing you stick in your mouth. Nothing visible or smellable comes out of it, there's no reason it could bother anyone so there'd be no reason to ban it.

An e-cigarette is and isn't a prettied up inhaler.

It is in that it's a replacement for a cigarette that provides you nicotine when you do an action that pretty much mimics smoking.

But it isn't in that it's much more similar to smoking. There is 'smoke' and there's a throat hit (like you get from a cigarette).

A quite well known vaper on YouTube recently made a video on why he personally doesn't vape in enclosed places, and why he doesn't think anyone should. It's that it's obnoxious, especially if you've got 'good' gear that makes huge big thick white clouds, and if someone is not used to nicotine and they're surrounded by people vaping away endlessly, they will feel the effect of it and it can lead to people feeling a little dizzy etc.

I agree with him, and my personal policy is that if I wouldn't smoke there, I generally won't vape there.

Even upstairs at work in our stockroom, where I'm sure I would be allowed to vape if I spoke to my boss and asked, I just don't. I go outside. I haven't even asked if I'm allowed.

I think if we (vapers, I hate the word and it makes me cringe but that's what it's called so I'll go with it) want vaping to be accepted, to make our lives easier, then some of us (like the OP) need to stop being such ****s about it. Don't do it in close proximity other people, especially if they don't smoke, don't expect do it at work, don't blow it in people's faces, don't fill up a room full of strangers with your stinky custard clouds. Don't walk around the supermarket tooting away.

In summary, don't be a ****.

 

[Energize]

They are both stimulants and addictive and niether are unhealthy when consumed in a common sense manner, why is one better than the other in that respect?

Health isn't really the councils concern here. Stimulants are not created equal and have very different effects upon consumption. And as far as addictiveness is concerned, caffeine has nothing on nicotine!

 

[Mynight]

Arrgh sorry I completely missed your point

In which case I completely agree with you.

 

[JBod]

At every office I have worked, strong smelling food/beverages are banned from the desks - and quite rightly. I personally find watching someone "vape" as nauseating as watching someone snort a line or inject heroin.

The people I work with who do vape are considerate enough (or maybe rightfully embarrassed enough) to take their habit outside.

I am glad they vape as it means I don't have to suffer the stale secondhand smoke smell that follows them around all day.

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

Respect is earned not paid for !! You cannot pay for respect no matter what.

No, but you can stop paying for not getting it.

I'm with itchy, though. Self-employed is the way. Choose when and how you work.

 

[MrMoonX]

Vicious defending of vaping, much the way heroin addicts defend their right to put that filth in their bodies, you all have one thing in common, you're all desperate junkies waiting for your next fix

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

Vicious defending of vaping, much the way heroin addicts defend their right to put that filth in their bodies, you all have one thing in common, you're all desperate junkies waiting for your next fix

Like you with food, water, or oxygen ?

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

That's what I'm driving at, it's not the nicotine they're banning, it is the vapour that they mention as being the issue.

It's the vapour and the smell and the fact that it could quite rightly be perceived as obnoxious to sit next to your co-workers blowing clouds of smelly vapour up in to the air all day.

The nicorette inhaler doesn't do that, it's just a plastic thing you stick in your mouth. Nothing visible or smellable comes out of it, there's no reason it could bother anyone so there'd be no reason to ban it.

An e-cigarette is and isn't a prettied up inhaler.

It is in that it's a replacement for a cigarette that provides you nicotine when you do an action that pretty much mimics smoking.

But it isn't in that it's much more similar to smoking. There is 'smoke' and there's a throat hit (like you get from a cigarette).

A quite well known vaper on YouTube recently made a video on why he personally doesn't vape in enclosed places, and why he doesn't think anyone should. It's that it's obnoxious, especially if you've got 'good' gear that makes huge big thick white clouds, and if someone is not used to nicotine and they're surrounded by people vaping away endlessly, they will feel the effect of it and it can lead to people feeling a little dizzy etc.

I agree with him, and my personal policy is that if I wouldn't smoke there, I generally won't vape there.

Even upstairs at work in our stockroom, where I'm sure I would be allowed to vape if I spoke to my boss and asked, I just don't. I go outside. I haven't even asked if I'm allowed.

I think if we (vapers, I hate the word and it makes me cringe but that's what it's called so I'll go with it) want vaping to be accepted, to make our lives easier, then some of us (like the OP) need to stop being such ****s about it. Don't do it in close proximity other people, especially if they don't smoke, don't expect do it at work, don't blow it in people's faces, don't fill up a room full of strangers with your stinky custard clouds. Don't walk around the supermarket tooting away.

In summary, don't be a ****.

This is a pretty great post.

 

[Stretch]

Easy solution. Buy an e-pipe... or better still, an e-bong.

 

[Angilion]

If it were really an aid to stop smoking then why are you a " long term electronic cigarette user", really all you done is swap one habit for another. [..]

Replacing a habit that harms you and everyone near you with one that doesn't is a major improvement. Everyone has habits. The point is harm, not habit.

My workplace initially banned e-cigs. After a while, they allowed them on a trial basis. Almost nobody objected, so they allowed them. Employees aren't allowed to vape in front of customers, but we're not allowed to do anything in front of customers so that's no different.

I think smoking should be illegal except in designated hovels only for smoking in, sealed from the outside world. If I could, I would drive around in a riot lorry with a water cannon filled with horse urine and hose smokers with it. Over and over again. And it still wouldn't be as bad as what they do.

I don't care about e-cigs. I don't care about the ones that look quite like cigarettes, because that doesn't make them cigarettes. Why should I care what they look like? How does that affect me? As long as the usage isn't dense enough or close enough to be a problem to me, I don't care. The vapour dissipates rapidly.

 

[Angilion]

Its just water vapour, I dont get what the fuss is about.
We all exhale water vapor so what the problem with E-cigs?

Its just water!!!!

It's not just water vapour and it's not like exhaled air.

If exhaled air produces an equivalent cloud of vapour indoors in a workplace, that workplace is extremely cold. Do you work in a freezer?

But it's not just water vapour anyway, so your point would be invalid even if you do work in a freezer.

 

[Fenris]

He has every right to do so.

Disregarding the fact that health stuff is largely contested (meaning I don't believe either way), they bloody stink.

 

[spoffle]

Does drinking a cup of tea really compare in your eyes to the lack of professionalism an e-cig does? As I said in an earlier post

It is disruptive to an office enviroment and incredibly unprofessional looking, I'm amazed you do not have the self awareness to realise this even within your thriving community of e-cig enthusiasts.

"But it looks unprofessional" is so vague, what does it even mean?

Why does it look unprofessional? Who does it look unprofessional too?

Why does it matter that you think it looks unprofessional?

How does professional actually appear? What set if criteria do you have to satisfy to "look professional", and what impact does that have on your ability to do your job thoroughly?

 

[spoffle]

Forcing someone to smell your stinky vapid anal fumes, on purpose, is pretty much tantamount to assault in my eyes. There's something intrinsically homosexual about one man want another to smell his poo, and I have nothing against homosexuals, but that kind of thing is not appropriate in work.

As a member of a prominant and thriving anti fart community I for one....

You're starting to sound like a filthy homophobe apologist.

 

[spoffle]

But they are not polluting the air in an enclosed environment.

Are e cigs even regulated these days? I know they were not in the past, if they are still unregulated anything could be lurking within them. depending where they are made. and i know for a fact I would not want to be breathing them in.

This is why people are making such a fuss about UK made eliquids, as there is very little in them, whereas you really don't know what is in the Chinese made ones due to the corners some of the factories take, or fake/counterfeit big brand Chinese ones, like fake Dekang or something.

There are very few ingredients in the UK made liquids, and a fair amount of those ingredients are also used in asthma inhalers for the vapour spray.

 

[chief barker]

I bet the e-cig haters don't mind breathing in deodorant spray do they

And that is really good for the lungs, stops them sweat apparently

 

[atpbx]

Employer can enforce what he likes at his workplace within reason.

At this workplace, you won't be using Ecigs outside of the smoking area no matter how fuss is made by the union.