Employer threatening to ban e-cigs...

[atpbx]

TBH all i see here are ****ing e-cig haters.

When i see some chap/gal using one of those i think. Good for them always better than normal fag and they dont smell of fags no more !!!!

Here at Uni You cant smoke them inside so everyone go outside with them.

I myself Moved to ecigs due to running. My stamina went up and i dont cough no more. I been on low nicotine ones for months now. All i see is good points of it:
Cheaper --> Used to buy dodgy fags b4.
You dont smell of tabaco smoke
You dont litter with fag ends and ash

I did cut down on it i only pull in the evenings and dont have that I NEED a smoke feeling whole day. And packing up smoking ?? Why would one do that if he can get killed by a car on the road every day...


ps. I sugest trying Bob Marley bud 0 nicotine mentol. Best one i had

I dont think anybody would be small mined enough to say they "hate" E-cigarettes, I would imagine to most people, outside of seeing them on the counter when they pay for petrol, they dont register in the vast majority of peoples conscious.

What people comment on, and find amusing for the most part, is the extraordinary lengths smokers and the hilariously named "thriving E-cigarette community" will go to A justify their habit and B justify why their habit should get them more time not working during the day than people that dont smoke.

"Hey boss, can I go out and spend ten minutes every hour doing **** all like the smokers get please?"

"How about no?"

Booooooooo.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I can see people being addicted to E-Ciggs and finding out that actually they too are harmful to ones health and those around you! Not enough is known about all the different substances that are used in the industry and the possible side effects that may arise from using an E-Cigg.

Regulation of e-cigs will resolve a lot of this. If the contents are what they should be then the evidence suggests it's not directly harmful.

I'm for the main aim of stopping everyone smoking. Whether e-cigs are a good intermediary I'm still undecided on.

 

[Pestilence]

I can see people being addicted to E-Ciggs and finding out that actually they too are harmful to ones health and those around you! Not enough is known about all the different substances that are used in the industry and the possible side effects that may arise from using an E-Cigg.

There's plenty known. If you care to look. The only base ingredient that has any cause for concern whatsoever is flavouring.

Well I am a no for e-Cigs at work, at my work the e-cig people go outside.
I see it's purpose as an aid to stop smoking, but too many people seem to just see it as the 'new smoking' and are enjoying themselves.
Put it down and give up properly.

Aside form my disagreement with the attitude the only concern I would have is I've never had someone who 'vapes' be able to show me any evidence that it is 'just water vapor' coming out, I'm not opposed to the possibility that it might be, but I would suspect it's not.

It isn't just water vapour. It's vapourised Propylene Glycol and/or Vegetable Glycerin. Both perfectly safe for consumption and used in a massive variety of products. Pretty much the same stuff used in theatrical smoke/fog machines. Yet nobody bats an eyelid when tons of that stuff is sprayed around them in clubs or at shows. An e-cig is, essentially, a tiny fog machine with added nicotine (if you want that) and flavourings. That's all.

Smoking/Vaping again, negative social effects, dangerous to your health and others around you.

Smoking, sure... but vaping? Negative social effects, maybe, but that's only from people whose opinions have been so hammered home by political, corporate and media zealots that they think they're their own. Dangerous to your health and others around you? Patently not true.

 

[Judgeneo]

I think your missing the point completely.

Drinking has a massive negative social effect, dangerous to your health (In the quantities the average Britain drinks IIRC) and loss of self control or reason, making you prone to doing retarded things.

Smoking/Vaping again, negative social effects, dangerous to your health and others around you.

Driving for fun is fine in a controlled area/manor. Driving 80 down a bendy A road because it looks cool and seems clear is reckless, driving 80 around a track isn't. There is a big difference, mainly the removal of killing other people for one.

I couldn't care less if you walked down the street in a pink tutu, unless the tutu was made of razor blades and you where running into people on purpose.....you know, to be different.

Don't miss understand me, i hate big government, but when people are completely incapable of doing logical thinking and then endanger other people around them, why should we allow this? Because you want to be different?

I think your missing the point completely.

Drinking has a positive social impact of encouraging people to actually talk to each other, and strips people of tiresome social facades. Its been part of Britains culture since day dot.


As far as I'm aware, vaping is medically neutral.


Big goverment is completely fine, as it is entirely different to an overly controlling one.

 

[LateX'Dog]

Smoking, sure... but vaping? Negative social effects, maybe, but that's only from people whose opinions have been so hammered home by political, corporate and media zealots that they think they're their own. Dangerous to your health and others around you? Patently not true.

Sorry i should have split e cigs and normal cigs.

 

[GiraffePencils]

It isn't just water vapour. It's vapourised Propylene Glycol and/or Vegetable Glycerin. Both perfectly safe for consumption and used in a massive variety of products. Pretty much the same stuff used in theatrical smoke/fog machines. Yet nobody bats an eyelid when tons of that stuff is sprayed around them in clubs or at shows. An e-cig is, essentially, a tiny fog machine with added nicotine (if you want that) and flavourings. That's all.

Well I suppose prolonged breathing of it hasn't been investigated, but you would imagine enough people in special effects/clubs/djs would have breathed enough to bring up an issue.

But what of the nicotine? breathing in someone's second hand nicotine is still a negative thing imo, if someone was doing it for flavour alone then it should be regulated in a workplace with any policy they have on chewing gum etc

 

[Omaeka]

So you've never smoked tobacco, but started using e-cigs, a device used to stop people from smoking?

BRB getting some morphine to wean myself off the Heroine I've never taken.

 

[GiraffePencils]

BRB getting some morphine to wean myself off the Heroine I've never taken.

morphine is no way to try and wean heroine

 

[LateX'Dog]

I think your missing the point completely.

Drinking has a positive social impact of encouraging people to actually talk to each other, and strips people of tiresome social facades. Its been part of Britains culture since day dot.

I think your missing the point completely.

When i walk past a club on a Friday night, i see people throwing up, fighting, blood on the streets and general retarded behaviour.

When i hear reports from people and read of incidence of rape because 'they where drunk', GBH and kicking people in the head because the guy was ginger?

If your incapable of talking to others because of social reasons, then i suggest you get that addressed, using alcohol to remove this problem is how you get alcoholics.

So because its been part of the country since 'day dot' means its not up for judgement? Its a social staple so even if it ruins night life and communities, we can't even question its existence?

The ironic part being if it was introduced today it would probably be a controlled substance.

So please, where are you getting this logic from? Because its heavily flawed in just about every aspect.

Big goverment is completely fine, as it is entirely different to an overly controlling one.

I suggest you do some research before you enter that world, because big government is a horrible side effect of our society.

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

with any policy they have on chewing gum etc

Do workplaces have regs on chuddy ? So when the vaping goes they can't have nicotine gum ?

Edit: there's something very pleasing about your username

 

[wilber]

BRB getting some morphine to wean myself off the Heroine I've never taken.

Well done on not reading the thread entirely. That comment was made in error, he was referring to his union rep who was keen to fight it. Not the OP who stated he used to smoke 20 a day.

 

[GiraffePencils]

Do workplaces have regs on chuddy ? So when the vaping goes they can't have nicotine gum ?

Edit: there's something very pleasing about your username that pleases

well some might, it can be unsightly and noisy (depending on the user)

I was merely meaning if someone was to have an essentially flavoured water vapor containing no nicotine then it should be treated in the same why as chewing gum, which is a non-consumed, non-harmful exercise for flavour

 

[Schlong&Stable]

let's face it the neo-leftist(passive-fascist) agenda of the english middle tiers has spread across the land like a one pitch tone "stand in line" speaker blaring out daily depressants to the masses.

Please, no more. This is like saying neo-hotdog(passive-cabbage).

People who use the word 'Fascist' arbitrarily need to be lined up in the street and shot.

 

[jimjamuk]

Back to the OP situation

Workplace - that doesnt belong to you so you follow the rules that are set there

Home - you make the rules and can do wat you want

You can argue the toss on health aspects / how it looks / whatever but at the end of the day if you want to work there then you do what you are told. I take it you all like being paid every month - well thats one of the freedoms you have to put up with to get that in return

but yes - go freelance / start your own business then you can make up your own rules

 

[MikeTheNative]

While this is probably quite annoying, I think they are well within their rights not to allow you to vape in the office(not that I agree with it). I think you going to have to suck it up or if it bothers you that much you might to leave.

 

[Pestilence]

Sorry i should have split e cigs and normal cigs.

That's cool.

I just find it very perplexing how vast numbers of people seem incapable to distance nicotine use from smoking. While the two are, of course, inextricably linked and embedded by history, they are not one and the same.

Vaping isn't smoking just as chewing nicotine gum isn't smoking. Saying "Yeah, but you're still a smoker" to someone who regularly chews nic gum for an extended period of time but hasn't touched a single piece of tobacco is ridiculously disingenuous, and legitmiately feels that way when said. But because vaping looks similar, it's an easy target for fallacies.

When your particular choice of vice isn't harming you or anyone else, then by all means have at it. Nicotine is no different, and people making use of an alternative that lets them enjoy what they want while not being a harmful social miscreant is obviously a good thing in the wider sense, no?

Many people do things we as individuals don't see the point or enjoyment in, but they are absolutely free to do so as long as it does no harm. That's the real world, a free and open society, and people really do need to open their minds and embrace the positive rather than continuing banging on a drum that's already split. We pilloried smokers into the ground on the basis of the harm their activity was causing, and now that the harm is gone for those who have switched and still want to enjoy their vice we jump on the bandwagon and continue instead of stepping back and realising that there's no legitimate reason to do so anymore. It's moved from the arena of "You're doing me harm, please stop it" to "I disapprove of the way you choose to live," like the latter holds some kind of actual credence.

Someone used the word earlier in the thread, so I'll repeat it here: That's ******* retarded.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Drinking has a positive social impact of encouraging people to actually talk to each other, and strips people of tiresome social facades. Its been part of Britains culture since day dot.=

Any positive effects of drinking on society are completely eclipsed by the negative ones though.

 

[matt100]

Good!

I'm glad they're doing this.. there was a chap at my work who started doing this indoors and it looks weird, especially if there's any possibility visitors or the public might see you, is very distracting (ie.. is that guy smoking? indoors? is he mental? etc), smells funny and I'm reliably informed actually impacts people who are just straight up giving up because it looks like smoking which is a reminder to ex smokers and makes giving up cold turkey so much harder.

If there was a spare room I guess I wouldn't have an issue with you having a designated area for it but just mixed in with the general workforce is a dead no for me. If there's no space.. outside you go with the rest of the smokers.

And ffs.. just quit its really not that hard.

 

[McGray]

For some reason I'm no longer allowed to have a Whiskey at my desk so smokers can do one too.

 

[GiraffePencils]

just quit its really not that hard.

I do agree they should just quit.
But it is important to remember that levels of dependency vary greatly from person to person, One could smoke 20 years and stop in a day, another could smoke 5 and feel their skin itch.