Employer threatening to ban e-cigs...

Barry McFungus Pants said:
My missus' workplace has now banned all cigarette/electric cigarette breaks. You now do it on your lunch break and off company premises.

Non-smokers were getting fed up that smokers/electric fag users got extra breaks during the day and started asking for the same privilege - management said nope, breaks for none in that case.

Fairness for all.
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Yes, and we are all on our lunchbreaks right now posting on OCUK, right? ;)
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
If you reasoned it through and were risk-averse you probably would decide not to smoke. I think it's about each person's understanding of the risks and their understanding of and relationship with risk. What are good odds ? What is at stake ? Are people even asking themselves these questions ?
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Everyone has their own risk/reward criteria.

Some people love playing rugby, or jumping out of planes. I think they are mental (colloquially), but would never stop them doing it.
 
I'm sat in the office at my desk reading this thread, whilst vaping some lovely strawberry flavoured juice. Simply divine.

I hope this annoys all the nay sayers in this here thread :D
 
The perceived risks can also be mediated during internal rationalisation by asking questions like, "If I get it at 70, so what ?". There are also the more general self-deceptions of addiction, "I know lots of smokers who are healthy." Etc.
 
TommyV said:
I'm sat in the office at my desk reading this thread, whilst vaping some lovely strawberry flavoured juice. Simply divine.

I hope this annoys all the nay sayers in this here thread :D
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To be honest ... I don't even smoke and the smell of some of the stuff the vapers here use is tempting.
 
let's face it the neo-leftist(passive-fascist) agenda of the english middle tiers has spread across the land like a one pitch tone "stand in line" speaker blaring out daily depressants to the masses.

you can forget drinking,smoking,vaping,(coffee drinking will be next), driving for fun, having any sense of style or being different in any way that doesn't fit into the tight niche that is "doing what your told like a good boy/girl"

but, in actual fact there is a simple answer to all of this on every level. Become self employed, make your own rules. Remove large government entities power by not submitting to childish made up public sector jobs. Get out there and graft for yourself in your society and the rewards will follow. Same goes for corporate entities, in effect open source yourself and become self regulating.

your employer only owes you for your unit of work, they have no real obligation to provide anything other than a decent safe environment to work in.
 
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phill1978 said:
let's face it the neo-leftist(passive-fascist) agenda of the english middle tiers has spread across the land like a one pitch tone "stand in line" speaker blaring out daily depressants to the masses.

you can forget drinking,smoking,vaping,(coffee drinking will be next), driving for fun, having any sense of style or being different in any way that doesn't fit into the tight niche that is "doing what your told like a good boy/girl"

but, in actual fact there is a simple answer to all of this on every level. Become self employed, make your own rules. Remove large government entities power by not submitting to childish made up public sector jobs. Get out there and graft for yourself in your society and the rewards will follow. Same goes for corporate entities, in effect open source yourself.
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Apart from the soapbox spittle of the first paragraph I agree. If we carry on diminishing freedoms we'll all be the same. Is that really what people want ?

I do work for myself and businesses don't drop me for being a smoker. It's time, cost, and product/service quality that matters.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
The trick is to make yourself invaluable to the employer, then it's up to them to offer 'enough' to keep you there. In essence, you dictate the terms based on your own issues. And you don't need to pay to do it.
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I'm an incredibly sought out worker, but sometimes it isn't enough, general rights within a workplace are placed upon a body of people and not a single individual.

For the sake of a few pounds a month I would argue it is useful to have, even if it just for the arbitration facilities during inevitable disputes.

It's like car breakdown cover, you hope you never have to use it but you'd be crazy to be without it.
 
TBH all i see here are ****ing e-cig haters.

When i see some chap/gal using one of those i think. Good for them always better than normal fag and they dont smell of fags no more !!!!

Here at Uni You cant smoke them inside so everyone go outside with them.

I myself Moved to ecigs due to running. My stamina went up and i dont cough no more. I been on low nicotine ones for months now. All i see is good points of it:
Cheaper --> Used to buy dodgy fags b4.
You dont smell of tabaco smoke
You dont litter with fag ends and ash

I did cut down on it i only pull in the evenings and dont have that I NEED a smoke feeling whole day. And packing up smoking ?? Why would one do that if he can get killed by a car on the road every day...


ps. I sugest trying Bob Marley bud 0 nicotine mentol. Best one i had :)
 
spoffle said:
"But it looks unprofessional" is so vague, what does it even mean?

Why does it look unprofessional? Who does it look unprofessional too?

Why does it matter that you think it looks unprofessional?

How does professional actually appear? What set if criteria do you have to satisfy to "look professional", and what impact does that have on your ability to do your job thoroughly?
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Exactly!
Someone in a suit and tie with lovely black shoes would look pretty unprofessional whilst wading through cow **** to feed stock.

I know plenty of professional's who smoke whilst they work, whilst selling to customers or purchasing from suppliers.

phill1978 said:
let's face it the neo-leftist(passive-fascist) agenda of the english middle tiers has spread across the land like a one pitch tone "stand in line" speaker blaring out daily depressants to the masses.

you can forget drinking,smoking,vaping,(coffee drinking will be next), driving for fun, having any sense of style or being different in any way that doesn't fit into the tight niche that is "doing what your told like a good boy/girl"
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+1
 
I can see people being addicted to E-Ciggs and finding out that actually they too are harmful to ones health and those around you! Not enough is known about all the different substances that are used in the industry and the possible side effects that may arise from using an E-Cigg.
 
Well I am a no for e-Cigs at work, at my work the e-cig people go outside.
I see it's purpose as an aid to stop smoking, but too many people seem to just see it as the 'new smoking' and are enjoying themselves.
Put it down and give up properly.

Aside form my disagreement with the attitude the only concern I would have is I've never had someone who 'vapes' be able to show me any evidence that it is 'just water vapor' coming out, I'm not opposed to the possibility that it might be, but I would suspect it's not.
 
phill1978 said:
let's face it the neo-leftist(passive-fascist) agenda of the english middle tiers has spread across the land like a one pitch tone "stand in line" speaker blaring out daily depressants to the masses.

you can forget drinking,smoking,vaping,(coffee drinking will be next), driving for fun, having any sense of style or being different in any way that doesn't fit into the tight niche that is "doing what your told like a good boy/girl"
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I think your missing the point completely.

Drinking has a massive negative social effect, dangerous to your health (In the quantities the average Britain drinks IIRC) and loss of self control or reason, making you prone to doing retarded things.

Smoking/Vaping again, negative social effects, dangerous to your health and others around you.

Driving for fun is fine in a controlled area/manor. Driving 80 down a bendy A road because it looks cool and seems clear is reckless, driving 80 around a track isn't. There is a big difference, mainly the removal of killing other people for one.

I couldn't care less if you walked down the street in a pink tutu, unless the tutu was made of razor blades and you where running into people on purpose.....you know, to be different.

Don't miss understand me, i hate big government, but when people are completely incapable of doing logical thinking and then endanger other people around them, why should we allow this? Because you want to be different?
 
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